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#1: Mobile GPS on Sprint Author: manekineko,

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:46 pm
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I am so psyched to discover this app!! Unfortunately, the feature that I'm dying for, the internal GPS support, doesn't seem to be working on my Sprint A900. Nevertheless, at least hope is on the horizon now for a free GPS solution!

The problem seems to be that the application isn't registered as an application that requests access to GPS location. Hence under the phone settings (not the app settings) there is no option to enable access to GPS location for the application. Under the debug window, when it tries, it gets a java.lang.SecurityException for not having authorization to access the restricted API, with descriptions: "Error initializing location services"

Thank you so much for the app and I will be forever in your debt if you can fix this and get it working!!

#2: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:05 pm
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Unfortunately, in order to get access to the location API (restricted on your phone), I have to either partner with Sprint or get a $400 Verisign certificate. For now I'll try another path, I'll see if I can use the Sprint GPS API, which is different than the official Java location API but still available on most Sprint phones.

Cristian

#3: Author: manekineko,

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:12 pm
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I remember seeing a method for uploading files using QPST that could get around verisign requirements. While not the ideal solution, it's something that I could do to try and help.

Also, I remember seeing on a Sprint developer forum once someone offering to sign using his certificate for others. Maybe that could be an option?

Thanks!

#4: Author: manekineko,

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:12 pm
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Using the method described here I uploaded Mobile GMaps succesfully to my phone:
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91504&highlight=upload

Once the permission bits are set okay, it seems to be able to access the GPS API without problems, no more security exceptions. However, the app seems to be misinterpreting the returned data. It's asking the various map providers for erroneous information. Google Maps just returns 404's, this is what is sent to Yahoo, giving a grey map:
http://png.maps.yimg.com/png?v=2.0.0&l=t8002.maps.dcn.yahoo.com&x=16384&y=0&z=3

I'll look into this again in about two weeks, in the meantime I'm going to be away so I can't mess around with this anymore. Hopefully some of this information I provided will help though!

#5: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:17 pm
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I think you are right, the coordinates received from the GPS device are not valid or cannot be interpreted, that's why such URLs are generated.

Cristian

#6: Author: mikelee,

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:17 am
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I noticed that on my A940, the EXIF longitude info is incorrect (off by about 346 degrees 7 minutes) while the latitude info is correct for pictures I take with the camera. Makes me wonder about Sprint and how much they care about GPS.

Anyways, I tried Mobile GMaps and did the QPST route and while it seems to recognize and use the Sprint internal GPS, it gave bad coordinates also. Using QPST again, I was about to get test code to actually give correct GPS coordinates! The test program can be found here:

http://www.shaftek.org/blog/archives/000139.html

Direct link to code:
http://www.shaftek.org/downloads/mobile/GpsTester/GpsTester.java

May be that can be used to get my phone to work with this program.

#7: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:43 am
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Hi Mike,

Thanks for sending the link. Unfortunately the GpsTester uses the com.qualcomm.qjae.gps package, which is not available for download (it's not included with the Sprint PCS emulator as specified here). However, the documentation is public, so in theory I can try "emulating" the functionality. If I manage to do that I'll also need someone to test the implementation, let me know if you would like to beta-test MGMaps when I add Sprint functionality.

Best regards,
Cristian

#8: Author: mikelee,

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 3:50 am
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I can beta test for you. Let me know what I need to do.

#9: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:27 am
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Well, I'll let you know when I have a functional version for Sprint, probably in a week or so.

Cristian

#10: Author: manekineko,

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 5:31 am
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Likewise, if there's anything I can do to help I'd be happy to.

#11: Author: ascopeland,

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:17 pm
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Chris, would getting the $400 verisign cert enable you to slove this whole problem? If so, i am sure sprint customers like myself would be more than willing to pitch in $$ to get it...lets say $5-$10 per sprint customer so you can get it working.

It is such an awesome app (beats the one that comes on my phone that u have to pay for hands down) and its a shame it cant work on sprint phones.

#12: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 2:34 pm
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Well, that verisign certificate would probably make MGMaps work on Sprint phones that do support the JSR-179 API. However, most Sprint phones don't support it, and some of the ones that do support it give incorrect coordinates. The best solution is for me to implement the Sprint GPS API - just that the code for the API is not public so I'll have to "emulate" its functionality in order to compile the application.

Cristian

#13: Author: GoZO,

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 8:56 pm
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I am up for beta testing with the A900. Let me know

#14: testing with a940 Author: elfranzen, Location: IOWA

Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 11:24 am
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if you need someone to test it with another type of phone I have the a940 and I would be more then happy to beta test for you also.

#15: Author: bored,

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:46 am
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Now on a A920, if you go to the application list (under My content)--> Gcalsync, and click on Options-->4.Settings. You see the followins settings.

1. Network--> Always allow
2. Location --> Allow GCalSync to access your GPS location? only ONE OPTION --> Never allow!
3. File Connection --> Allow GCalSync to access your file sysem? only ONE OPTION --> Never allow!
4. Allow GCalSync to access your PIM? only ONE OPTION --> Never allow!
5. Allow GCalSync to access your sprint extensions? only ONE OPTION --> Never allow!

Is there a way to modify this (maybe via Bitpim) and get an "Allow" option in the above list?

#16: GPS problem with SPRINT new FUSIC - LG LX550 Author: RAGordonDFW, Location: Dallas, Texas

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:27 pm
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Well, nothing has changed with Sprint!!
I have the latest LG phone from Sprint and while this app works great, the GPS still won't work on the "Where am I" options.

I'm MORE THAN willing to beta-test with this phone if you need me !!!

Great work -- keep it up !

#17: Author: manekineko,

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:02 pm
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Is there any way that development of this app for Sprint is going to proceed?

At this point your app is pretty much the only hope for A900 users. Samsung only half implemented the GPS functionality, so you can find yourself but you can't track. None of the 1st party apps seem to have come up with the bright idea of repeatedly querying to find yourself in order to track. Won't be as nice but it'll at least be some semblance of GPS functionality. Samsung has come out on their website and said they won't fix this issue pretty much. So the only hope is on a kind 3rd party app developer to make this work! Wink

#18: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:27 am
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Hi,

The GPS features do not work currently on several platforms. This currently includes internal GPS support on Sprint and Motorola phones. Each of them has a non-standard implementation of bluetooth functionality (Motorola actually has two different implementations, one for Axxx and E1000 phones, and the other for iDEN phones), Motorola's implementation is public but Sprint's is not.

In addition, the application needs to be signed with a trusted certificate. That normally means a code-signing certificate issued by Verisign or Thawte or GeoTrust that's available for $200-$500/yr. And that would be for each separate version of MGMaps, if we have one (or two) for Motorola, one for Sprint, and so on.

My idea is to try using a self-signed certificate for the application, that will work if the user can import/add root certificates to the phone. Some phones allow that, some don't - I don't know about Sprint phones, maybe some of you have more info or you can try it.

Regards,
Cristian

#19: help with sprint gps. I have it working on my phone Author: jessesanford,

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:35 pm
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I was hoping that I could help you with this project working on the support for sprint phones. I have successfully gotten the qpst hack working so that we can bypass the need for verisign certificate. I have also successfully pulled accurate lat and long information off of the phone using the source located here: http://www.shaftek.org/blog/archives/000139.html

I have worked with j2me before and would like to assist in your testing/coding.

I am using a samsung a940 handset.

Please let me know.

#20: Easy way to access sprint qjae GPS API Author: oingo456,

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:41 am
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You don't need to have a signed application to access the API! You can enable access by unsigned applications!

1. Register as a developer on developer.sprint.com - IT'S FREE. Don't use hotmail as your email, you won't get the confirmation email.

2. Once you login to the site, you can activate up to 200 phones! Just type in your ESN, and the menu will send a message to your phone to enable the API by unsigned applications.

It would be great if gmaps would support the QJAE gps.

#21: Will This Work Now? Author: swak,

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:58 pm
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Quote:

You don't need to have a signed application to access the API! You can enable access by unsigned applications!

Cristian hope this is the answer for Sprint?

#22: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:24 am
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Hi,

I'll discuss about this with Jesse (jessesanford), but as I understand every user will need to create a developer account on the Sprint website to be able to unlock the application, right?

Cristian

#23: sprint developer handset developer root activation Author: jessesanford,

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:56 pm
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By using the sprint developer root activation tool located at:
https://developer.sprint.com/searchHandsets.do

Once you have activated the developer root it will allow you to access the restricted api's but you will still need a verisign cert for signing the app. You will not have to get sprint to sign it though.

Currently the only way that I know of getting an app onto a samsung a9xx phone and bypassing the cert is via the qpst hack outlined on sprintusers.com:

First head out to http://www.samsung.com and search for A900 drivers. Download and install them, then reboot (Yes, you must reboot)

Next, download and install QPST if you don't already have it (seriously, just search google for QPST2_7.zip, you WILL find it)

Call Sprint (*2) and ask a rep for the MSL for your phone. They will give it to you with no problems, if you get an ass on the line, thank him/her for their time, hang up and try again.

Once you have your MSL, start up QPST from your start menu and click the "Ports" tab. Click "Add new port" and type in COM3 for both fields. If your phone doesn't come up on that one then try also adding COM4.

Once your phone shows up in the Active Phones field click the "Start Clients" menu and click "EFS Explorer"

Put your MSL in the SPC field and click OK. Let EFS explore traverse your file system.

Now comes the fun part which I'm going to copy and paste from notepad, hopefully it will be nice and complete for you

Browse to /brew/mod/obione/jas/index/ In there you'll find a bunch of .txt files, these files are references to all the custom files on your phone. 1.txt and 2.txt are OnDemand and Sprint Music Store, respectively. The rest are the various demos sprint has put on your phone from the factory.

What you want to do is find the .txt file for what you want to upload. If you want to upload an app grab 8.txt, which is the Weather Channel reference file. If you want to upload a game, grab 3.txt (tetris demo). im or email app - 10.txt. ringer - 12.txt. screen saver - 13.txt.

Once it's on your computer, save it to the next available number for that directory (the largest number in mine is 15.txt, so i would rename 8.txt to 16.txt).

For games, apps and IM/Email apps:
Open up your .txt file and change JARF to 16 and JADF to 16 (in my example). If you don't have a jad for the file I think you can leave the number field blank.
Right click on the jar you want to upload and put the size in bytes of the file into MSIZ
The PERM field is what you would find under settings. there are six menu items when you view settings on a file using your phone, and coincidentally there is a 0 based array of 6 fields in the PERM field with different values:
0 - Network
1 - Location (GPS)
2 - File Connection
3 - PIM
4 - Sprint Extensions
5 - Bluetooth
If you want you can change the download URL (DURL), but it's not that important.
You'll obviously want to change the NAME and VEND fields to their respective values (JAMDAT Bowling, JAMDAT Mobile, Inc. - for JAMDAT bowling)
After you've done that find the .JAD and .JAR you want to upload and rename them to (in my example) 16.jad and 16.jar
Click and drag your .txt file into the /brew/mod/obione/jas/index/ directory, and click and drag your jad and jar files into the /brew/shared/jas/content/ directory

In order to get the app to work on anyones phone you still need to follow standard procedures as outlined in this post:

Thompson - Sprint Technical Support
Rank :User
Posts:568
Overall Rating:0 Subject:
re: motorola midlet signing
Date:
2005-12-05 at 08:26 AM CST
If you MIDlet doesn`t use restricted APIs, you don't have to sign it to install it on the phone. Restricted APIs can only be accessed if the MIDlet is digitally signed. For Sprint, you obtain a Verisign certificate, sign your app, and make sure you have the proper permissions set in the MIDlet's JAD file. Once the app is ready to go, then you submit it to Sprint where it gets signed with a different cert that allows the app to be installed on customer phones. I'm not sure that the Nextel follows the same procedure.

Ultimatley Sprint needs to get a hold of the midlet in order for their customers to download and use it without hassle.

If you want more info search the developer forrums for keywords like:
Signing, developer root, certificate etc.

#24: Any developments? Author: Tom Dalton,

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:15 pm
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It's exciting to see the development happening with mobile phones. I'm very interested to see this app on my Fusic, if you guys are able to make it work. I have nothing to offer but encouragement, sorry. Wink

#25: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:20 pm
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Last edited by arpruss on Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:23 pm; edited 1 time in total

#26: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:41 pm
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arpruss wrote:

I downloaded the QJAE docs, and made a dummy Gps package following them. (You can get it from http://prussfamily.us/qjae.zip ; you can use it under GPL 2 or later or BSD revised licenses.) This was missing all the static final constants (the docs don't specify their values), but was good enough to compile GpsTester.java (I made some changes, but the original source would have compiled, too). After compiling, I just deleted the dummy classes from my jar file, copied to the phone with BitPim. I do get a dialogue asking whether to enable location access, and then eventually I get a GPS timeout error, so I think it's connecting to the GPS API just fine. That may just be because I don't have Vision, and so the phone can't connect to the location server.

Some things have changed since the last post in this topic... I already have an implementation based on the main qjae implementation, just waiting for someone to be able to test it - as I don't live in the U.S. so I have no access to the Sprint network. Let me know if you would be able to beta-test and I'll send it to you by email or upload it on the server.

Cristian

#27: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:59 pm
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Cristian Streng wrote:

Some things have changed since the last post in this topic... I already have an implementation based on the main qjae implementation,

Where did you get the main qjae implementation from? I'd like to get it...

Quote:

just waiting for someone to be able to test it - as I don't live in the U.S. so I have no access to the Sprint network. Let me know if you would be able to beta-test and I'll send it to you by email or upload it on the server.

I may sign up for a Vision trial, so feel free to email it to me. No guarantees I'll be able to get to it in less than a week.

#28: Sprint Author: goesh,

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:46 pm
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Cristian Streng wrote:

arpruss wrote:

Cristian...

I am a sprint pcs vision user with an A920 phone, would love to beta test the implementation for this. email me...

#29: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:13 am
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Get the alpha version from http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmapssp.html (open it on your phone)... let me know how it goes. You may need to unlock the application as described by others previously on this thread.

Cristian

#30: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:40 pm
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Cristian Streng wrote:

Get the alpha version from http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmapssp.html (open it on your phone)... let me know how it goes. You may need to unlock the application as described by others previously on this thread.

If you unlock by editing the __access.txt file as described in my post, you won't need to edit the index files. In fact, your phone should edit the index files for you in accordance with your answers to the qeustion whether to enable location access.

For a simpler test of just the GPS code, you might also try editing the __access.txt file and then trying GpsTester (http://www.shaftek.org/projects.shtml in the New Download section). Make sure you're outdoors (just to be sure). Run GpsTester, select "Start LBS". You should be asked whether to enable location services. Agree. Then select "Get Location". You should get a scrolling "No error". At this point GpsTester is downloading ephemeris data and waiting for a fix. If you wait (it may take a couple of minutes especially if it doesn't work), it'll change either into your position or into a GPS error (I get "GPS Error: Timeout", but I don't have network access which is probably necessary).

In case anybody is interested, I've update the dummy QJAE package to be complete: http://prussfamily.us/qjae.zip

#31: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:46 pm
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arpruss wrote:

Great, and if that works - can anyone do the same with the alpha version of MGMaps at http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmapssp.html?

#32: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:00 pm
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And one other thing - even if it doesn't work, please look in Help/Debug and let me know if you find any GPS-related messages there (like "GPS: Starting gps service of type: ...")

Cristian

#33: Author: goesh,

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:13 pm
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Cristian Streng wrote:

And one other thing - even if it doesn't work, please look in Help/Debug and let me know if you find any GPS-related messages there (like "GPS: Starting gps service of type: ...")

Cristian

Installed the alpha version. First start I enabled GPS and restarted. Now the program will not launch. While the top of the screen reads 'Application Loading, please wait...' an error appears at the bottom titled 'Unhandled Exception' and displaying the text 'NullPointerException'.

#34: Author: goesh,

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:14 pm
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goesh wrote:

Cristian Streng wrote:

And one other thing - even if it doesn't work, please look in Help/Debug and let me know if you find any GPS-related messages there (like "GPS: Starting gps service of type: ...")

Cristian

About 3 seconds after displaying the error, the application closes and I get no opporunity to view any menu option, including the debug.

#35: Author: goesh,

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:18 pm
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Also, I tried the following:

arpruss wrote:

(1) GPS access is easy. Use BitPim to download /Brew/__access.txt (I think that's the file--it's got some pretty obvious name and is in the /Brew directory). Save a backup of it. At the end there is a list of what signed and unsigned apps are permitted to do. Add an entry to the section for unsigned apps (at the very end) that says "blanket(oneshot): gps_api". That's all!

however, on my A920, the file isnt /Brew/__access.txt, it is /brew/mod/obione/_policy.txt

I am going to replace the original _policy.txt to see if the test results the same.

#36: Author: goesh,

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:24 pm
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arpruss wrote:

I also tried testing the GpsTester.jar application as suggested by arpruss, however, with the suggested change of my _policy.txt file, I dont get any errors other than a GPS Error: Timeout. I do have vision and had the phone outdoors with clear line of sight to the sky.

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#37: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:41 pm
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I have another alpha version available at http://wap.mgmaps.com/alpha3.html. I hope you'll be able to at least start this one. Anyway, can you try GpsTester first? - http://www.shaftek.org/projects.shtml in the New Download section

Cristian

#38: Author: goesh,

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:42 pm
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Cristian Streng wrote:

I have another alpha version available at http://wap.mgmaps.com/alpha3.html. I hope you'll be able to at least start this one.

will try right now...

Cristian Streng wrote:

Anyway, can you try GpsTester first? - http://www.shaftek.org/projects.shtml in the New Download section

#39: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:54 pm
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goesh wrote:

arpruss wrote:

I suppose you did get a query whether to enable GPS?

I am starting to suspect, based on some stuff I read, that something special needs to be done to gain access to Sprint's location server. I don't know if the server has some way of checking whether the app is signed, but that might be one issue.

I wonder if one could run one's own location server?

#40: Author: goesh,

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:58 pm
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Cristian Streng wrote:

I have another alpha version available at http://wap.mgmaps.com/alpha3.html. I hope you'll be able to at least start this one. Anyway, can you try GpsTester first? - http://www.shaftek.org/projects.shtml in the New Download section

Cristian

This version does launch, but I get no location data.

Help -> DEBUG:

EOF

DEBUG: Starting MGMaps
DEBUG: GPS: Starting gps service of type: GPSInternal 1160682491.933:
DEBUG: GPS: gps service settings: 1160682493.592:
DEBUG: optimization type=1 1160682493.593:
DEBUG: qos=255 1160682493.594:
DEBUG: server type=0 1160682493.594:
DEBUG: An exception has occured! Exception class java.lang.illegalArgumentException, message: Invalid number of fixes, description: Error initializing Qualcomm location services 1160682493.595:

.....NUMEROUS MAP DOWNLOAD MESSAGES FROM GOOGLE......

DEBUG: An exception has occured! Exception class java.lang.illegalArgumentException, message: Invalid number of fixes, description: Error initializing Qualcomm location services 1160682554.115
DEBUG: An exception has occured! Exception class java.io.IOException, message: null, desctiption: Error downloading 1160682493.596

BOF

#41: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:31 pm
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Here's a post by Sam Altman on Sprint's developer site: "Here's the caveat: the default PDE address is blank. It's just not there. Write a test program and check it out. Without that, you can't get a fix. It would seem that you could get an unassisted fix without any help from a PDE, but somehow they've blocked that out. Theoretically, and so I've heard from a few other people, if you put the right PDE IP addr and port in, it will work. I finally tracked one down and will test it when I return late next week."

That was in 2005. No news since.

#42: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:41 pm
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And other post says that there are costs for doing GPS fixes, and these need to be discussed with Sprint by the developer. And only Sprint partners are allowed to use location services. It sounds like they've decided to lock things by locking the access to the PDE server.

#43: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:00 am
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goesh wrote:

Cristian Streng wrote:

This version does launch, but I get no location data.
DEBUG: An exception has occured! Exception class java.lang.illegalArgumentException, message: Invalid number of fixes,

This sounds much better, I requested a maximum number of 9999999 GPS fixes which seems to be a bit too much... let's try with 65000 - I've modified the version at http://wap.mgmaps.com/alpha3.html, let me know if there's any change now.

Cristian

#44: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:03 am
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arpruss wrote:

And other post says that there are costs for doing GPS fixes, and these need to be discussed with Sprint by the developer. And only Sprint partners are allowed to use location services. It sounds like they've decided to lock things by locking the access to the PDE server.

If this is true there's no chance in making MGMaps work Sad

... But let's not assume the worst.

#45: Author: goesh,

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:15 am
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Still no location data, however, the only error now appearing in debug is a gps timeout...Thanks buddy

#46: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:20 am
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I think the only hope is either to obtain the IP address of Sprint's server, but accessing Sprint's server without Sprint's permission is probably a legal and moral problem, or else to reverse-engineer (hard without violating an EULA, but maybe it could be done in a place where the EULA is not binding) how the server works and make one's own.

I notice that Trimble Outdoors Silver (http://www.trimbleoutdoors.com/Products.aspx) costs only a one-time $20 fee, so it doesn't seem that Sprint necessarily charges a per-use fee for use of their server.

#47: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:56 am
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We'll see about this... I'm still not convinced that I need to put in the server IP in the application, maybe we can find a workaround. There's an earlier post in this topic - http://forum.mgmaps.com/viewtopic.php?p=270#270 - that guy says he was able to install GpsTester AND get valid coordinates.

There are also some (more complicated) instructions to unlock the program at the beginning of this thread, they direct to this page. I think whoever tests MGMaps should first try to install and use GpsTester to get valid coords, then move on to MGMaps.

#48: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:59 am
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Cristian Streng wrote:

We'll see about this... I'm still not convinced that I need to put in the server IP in the application, maybe we can find a workaround. There's an earlier post in this topic - http://forum.mgmaps.com/viewtopic.php?p=270#270 - that guy says he was able to install GpsTester AND get valid coordinates.

There are also some (more complicated) instructions to unlock the program at the beginning of this thread, they direct to this page. I think whoever tests MGMaps should first try to install and use GpsTester to get valid coords, then move on to MGMaps.

Oh, and another thing... maybe you need to wait a bit longer to get the first coordinates. Try to start MGMaps, start the GPS code (have GPS Device configured to Internal) then leave the app running for 10-15 minutes - maybe it helps. Same with GpsTester.

#49: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:13 pm
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The user who got it working was using an A900. Maybe it's got a different chipset?

Maybe the following trick would work: First run an approved GPS app, like Trimble Silver, in order to get the phone to download the data from the server, and then run mgmaps? (The data is supposed to be valid for an hour before a re-download is needed, and I don't know if it persists between apps.) But I don't want to have to buy an approved GPS app to try this out.

It occurs to me that there could conceivably be problems with editing __policy.txt vis-a-vis the big bad DMCA. On the other hand, maybe something that can be edited by changing a plain-text file doesn't count as an effective access restriction? And Sprint says (http://developer.sprint.com/getDocument.do?docId=85911) that the point of their access restrictions is to protect customer security, so this seems just like changing Internet Explorer security settings. But who knows; I am not a lawyer.

#50: Author: goesh,

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:02 pm
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Cristian Streng wrote:

I have followed the instructions for editing the index files on the phone, I got nothing working doing it that way, in fact, Iwouldnt even get a GPS timeout error. arpruss' instructions about editing the _policy.txt file seems to be the most promising, for the A920 I have anyhow. As arpruss aluded, it did update the index files acordingly.

Also, just as an FYI, about a month ago I installed AllSportGPS for location data, this program does successfully access the GPS data. The only downside is that it does cost $6.99/month. However, the GPS data is very accurate and works very well. I took arpruss' suggestion about getting a fix from the paid program then quickly switching over to either GpsTester.jar or MGMaps, same result, GPS Timeout.

#51: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:36 pm
—

goesh wrote:

I see... well, if you're willing to share the AllSportGPS application with me and if you have access to its jad/jar files, send me a PM and I'll have a look over it. I can try to reverse engineer it and see how it uses the GPS. You may be breaking the licensing terms for that application by sending it to me, so feel free to ignore this message if you wish. Smile

Cristian

#52: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:51 pm
—
I tried a modified GpsTester set to connect to an ip address and port number on my server. I then listened for a connection on my server with nc -v, but nothing happened. That may just be because I don't have vision (but vision doesn't seem to be required for GPS).

#53: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:56 pm
—

arpruss wrote:

I tried a modified GpsTester set to connect to an ip address and port number on my server. I then listened for a connection on my server with nc -v, but nothing happened. That may just be because I don't have vision (but vision doesn't seem to be required for GPS).

Did you try TCP? Maybe it uses UDP instead... or maybe it uses TCP but the Sprint server filters the packets (if that is the case, set GpsTester to connect to TCP port 80 on your server, it will just be a bit more difficult to filter the GpsTester connection from regular web traffic).

#54: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:23 pm
—

Cristian Streng wrote:

arpruss wrote:

It was set to TCP (you can select). I may try port 80 later.

#55: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:28 pm
—

Cristian Streng wrote:

Looking at Sprint dev forums, it looks like in mid January Sprint made some changes that restricted access to location data, and thereby they locked out GpsTester. What's interesting is that that post was made several months after that. But maybe that poster was describing something done before mid-January... Can you contact that poster to see if GpsTester is STILL working?

#56: Author: errr0r,

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:24 pm
—
Arpruss, talk to me on AIM. We will work on this together.

AIM: pc2pctransfer

Time: sometime tonight 9pm-ish EST.

#57: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:43 pm
—

errr0r wrote:

Arpruss, talk to me on AIM. We will work on this together.

AIM: pc2pctransfer

Time: sometime tonight 9pm-ish EST.

I don't do IM. Sad

Email me: arpruss at gmail dot com.

#58: Author: errr0r,

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:36 pm
—
Email sent. Wink

but I think we would benefit better from a real-time messaging protocol. IRC, Gtalk, or something.

#59: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:59 pm
—
Interestingly, the PDE protocol looks like it's fully documented:
http://www.3gpp2.org/Public_html/specs/C.S0022-0_v3.0_121203.pdf

#60: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:48 am
—

arpruss wrote:

I did contact the poster, and GpsTester is still working for him! He used QPST to enable GPS access in the program... you probably know what that means more than I do Wink

He also said he got a null-pointer exception when trying MGMaps, but then again he may have tried the old version that crashed for others too. I've invited him to post another message here.

Cristian

#61: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:19 pm
—
Can you ask him to choose the "info" menu option in GpsTester, and see what protocol, IP and port show up? Also, can you ask him to email me, and I'll send him a modified version of GpsTester, and try to figure things out.

Thanks!
Alex

#62: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:24 pm
—
There may also be a problem with doing the unlock given that Sprint's TOS prohibit getting around Sprint's restrictions. (One might argue it's Samsung's restrictions, but Samsung presumably put them in on behalf of Sprint.) So I'm not going to be exploring this further, unless Sprint gives me permission.

#63: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:24 pm
—
And it looks like Sprint is itself having to pay for the AGPS access to some third party, so they're certainly not going to let us tap in for free.

#64: Author: mikelee,

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:55 am
—
I did get the newer version of Mobile GMaps and it does work with internal GPS!

I have the Samsung A940. GpsTester still works for me. I still have to enable GPS access for Mobile GMaps and GpsTester using QPST.

I use the info menu option in GpsTester and it says:
Sever Type = Default,
Protocol = TCP/IP

#65: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:04 am
—
This is great news! Does it work fine (correct coords, and so on...)?

Cristian

#66: Author: mikelee,

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:54 am
—
It seems to give correct coordinates but it doesn't stay correct. If I have it set to move the map with what GPS coordinates it gets, it'll be correct for one moment and then it shifts to many blocks off. I'll have to observe it more to see what's happening. I'll mess with the intervals to see if that makes a difference. Maybe I have it set to not wait long enough. I've noticed that my phone takes a while to get GPS coordinates and sometimes it's not correct. This happens with commercial programs that use the internal GPS.

#67: Author: vinod162,

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:33 am
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With the A900M, I get a message

GPS position not yet determined. Make sure .... (blah blah)

I used the alpha 3 version. (and allowed mgmaps to access the GPS through QPST).

Anyone else using a Samsung A900M phone?

#68: Author: iancarlin,

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:30 am
—
Can anyone tell me how to set the permissions on the application TXT files in order to enable the GPS? Or better yet, post the 8.txt?

#69: Author: mikelee,

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:12 am
—
Here's mine (notice the 1=1 in the PERM: line):

JARF: 17
JADF: 17
MSIZ: 72571
RSIZ: 32768
DOMA: 0
PERM: 0=2,1=1,2=0,3=0,4=0
MISC: 0
RUNC:
SGLE: 0

ROLE: 0

TRIA: 0
DLCK: 0
ALOW: 0
CATE: 8
STAT: 0
COID:
DURL: http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmaps.jad
NAME: Mobile GMaps
VEND: Cristian Streng
TIME: 1146835334
ICON:
ISIZ: 0
FLCK: 1

#70: Finally Got GpsTester working on my Samsung A920 phone Author: sakha,

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:15 pm
—

mikelee wrote:

It seems to give correct coordinates but it doesn't stay correct. If I have it set to move the map with what GPS coordinates it gets, it'll be correct for one moment and then it shifts to many blocks off. I'll have to observe it more to see what's happening. I'll mess with the intervals to see if that makes a difference. Maybe I have it set to not wait long enough. I've noticed that my phone takes a while to get GPS coordinates and sometimes it's not correct. This happens with commercial programs that use the internal GPS.

Seems like the Custom IP Address and Port are required for the correct operation of Gps, no need to sign the jar/jad file, I believe you need to still enable the Developer Root on the phone though.

Here is a latest copy of GpsTester I modified to set the correct custom server ip address and port. You need to do start LBS, setcustom and then get location menu in that order. The Info screen will show the correct custom server ip and port as below :
ServerType =
Custom, Address =
1142693681:5017,
Protocol = TCP/IP

If the info screen shows the default server then GPS wont work on atleast the A920 phone, the A940 might be different it might have a Autonomous Gps Chip.
Anyways I had the Jad/Jar on my website
http://sakha123.no-ip.org/GpsTest.jad

Please try it out on other phones and let me know.

Cristian,
Can you possibly give me the source code for mgmaps, or atleast the alpha version code, that way i can modify it and see if it works for me.
If nothing else atleast give me the source for the Sprint GPS class that you have and i will modify it so that it works correctly ans send it back to you.
Thx
-Sachin
P.S. I think we probably need to get the GPS fix a few times like maybe 3 times or so and then get an average, because when i did get the lat/lon info it was off by 1/4 mile sometimes.

#71: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:48 am
—
Where did you get the IP address?

#72: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:21 pm
—

arpruss wrote:

Where did you get the IP address?

I have de-compiled the GpsTest.jar archive from sakha (it was not obfuscated), and got:

Code:

if(command == setCustomCommand)
{
short port = 5017;
Gps.setTransportProtocol(0);
Gps.setServerType(1);
Gps.setCustomServerConfig(convertIpAddressToInt("68.28.31.49"), port);
}

I googled 68.28.31.49, and I ended up here. I guess it explains how to use that Universal PST software to get or change various settings, including this IP address.

Now my questions:

1. Are the IP/port fixed? common for all phones? are they different for each phone? The port in that article linked above is different from the port sakha gave. If that's the case I should probably leave them configurable in the application.

2. As I understand, a single call to Gps.setCustomServerConfig should be enough, right? My code currently looks like this (the update interval is set to 2000, I hope it's in milliseconds Smile

Code:

try {
Gps.startSession(this);
Logger.debug("GPSQJAE started");

// one-shot
Gps.setOptimizationType(Gps.OPTIMIZE_FOR_ACCURACY);
Gps.setQoS(31); // max 31 seconds for a fix
Gps.requestPosition(Gps.SVC_TYPE_ALL);

// tracking
Gps.setOptimizationType(Gps.OPTIMIZE_FOR_ACCURACY);
Gps.setQoS(31);
Gps.requestPositionTrack(Gps.SVC_TYPE_ALL, 65500, (UPDATE_INTERVAL<<1)/1000, Gps.TRACK_NETWORK);
}
catch (Exception ex) {
Logger.handle(ex, false, "Error initializing Qualcomm location services");
}

and then:

Code:

public void handleEvent(GpsEvent gpsevent)
{
if (gpsevent instanceof GpsPositionEvent) {
GpsPositionEvent ev = (GpsPositionEvent) gpsevent;
updatedPos = new GPoint(ev.getLongitude() * 10, ev.getLatitude() * 10);
Logger.debug("GPS: Lat: " + updatedPos.y + " / Long: " + updatedPos.x);
}
else if (gpsevent instanceof GpsErrorEvent) {
GpsErrorEvent ev = (GpsErrorEvent) gpsevent;
Logger.error("GPS: Error: " + ev.getMessage());
}
}

The rest of the code does not use any QJAE specific functionality, it just uses the value in updatedPos whenever it is set by handleEvent.

sakha wrote:

P.S. I think we probably need to get the GPS fix a few times like maybe 3 times or so and then get an average, because when i did get the lat/lon info it was off by 1/4 mile sometimes.

I think this is not a solution, it probably has to do with the fact that the Sprint phone is not a very accurate GPS receiver. It could also have to do with the optimization type or QoS set.

Cristian

#73: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:46 pm
—
I sent Sprint a query whether it's OK to use this address.

By the way, someone sent me the same IP address by email, with a different port number. And the port number on the site that you get googling the IP address is different again.

I worry a bit that maybe Sprint assigns different port numbers to different "official" developers and then tracks usage, so by using this we might be causing charges to some other developer.

#74: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:09 pm
—
I don't think the port is related to the developer (developer of what? isn't that some phone setting? is it separately configurable for each app?). I'm more inclined to believe it has to do with the actual location of the phone owner, for load balancing reasons - something like a zip code...

#75: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:16 pm
—

Cristian Streng wrote:

I don't think the port is related to the developer (developer of what? isn't that some phone setting? is it separately configurable for each app?). I'm more inclined to believe it has to do with the actual location of the phone owner, for load balancing reasons - something like a zip code...

In new Sprint phones, the values are not set at all, and must be set by the developer of a GPS enabled app. So I don't know if it has to do with the phone or what. I don't know where the values that were posted here were originally extracted from--maybe from some app? (But I may be completely confused.)

#76: To celar some doubts and possible confusion Author: sakha,

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:05 am
—

arpruss wrote:

Cristian Streng wrote:

The values are not set in the sprint phones, the IP address and port I got are from the standard HandMark application called "On Demand" which came bundled with my phone a samsung A920, I guess sprint would have bundled it. As far as charging for the application goes I dont think we would be generating per use charges for someone like a developer or a company since, a part of the "On Demand" application viz Weather is completely free and does not involve any fees. This weather sub-application has a way to get local weather using GPS called "My Location" I have tested it and it gets the correct location. Now if HandMark does not charge the customers anything for this info then they in turn would not be likely to pay sprint the fees for getting a GPS fix using this application.

As far as getting an average of 3 fixes solution that i suggested earlier, i might be completely wrong it might have something to do with the other parameters like QoS etc.

Cristian if you need any help with the code please let me know, you could possibly send me the code for the class which does the Sprint specific GPS portion and I can change the code to make it work correctly. I am pretty sure that you would be capable of doing that yourself, but I was just trying to help. Also the setTransportProtocol and the setServerType calls are also important.
Hope this helps.
Also if you manage to create a new jad/jar combo with these changes feel free to send it to me and I can test it for you and let you know that it works.
Thx
-Sachin

#77: Author: sakha,

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:58 am
—

Cristian Streng wrote:

arpruss wrote:

Where did you get the IP address?

I have de-compiled the GpsTest.jar archive from sakha (it was not obfuscated), and got:

Code:

if(command == setCustomCommand)
{
short port = 5017;
Gps.setTransportProtocol(0);
Gps.setServerType(1);
Gps.setCustomServerConfig(convertIpAddressToInt("68.28.31.49"), port);
}

Code:

and then:

Code:

The rest of the code does not use any QJAE specific functionality, it just uses the value in updatedPos whenever it is set by handleEvent.

sakha wrote:

P.S. I think we probably need to get the GPS fix a few times like maybe 3 times or so and then get an average, because when i did get the lat/lon info it was off by 1/4 mile sometimes.

Cristian,
I will try to answer your questions, then again I am no expert.

Ans 1. The custom server IP and port are fixed, they will not be different for different phones, this is the IP and port on which Sprint runs a PDE server ( or whatever acronym it is called with), this server helps in determining the GPS position for the phone, or this the "Assisted" part of the aGPS( Assisted GPS) chipset that the phone has.

Ans 2. Yes only a single Gps.setCustomServerConfig is enough, although a prior call to Gps.setServerTupe(1) is important.

Hope this helps.
-Sachin

#78: Author: sakha,

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:04 am
—

arpruss wrote:

I sent Sprint a query whether it's OK to use this address.

By the way, someone sent me the same IP address by email, with a different port number. And the port number on the site that you get googling the IP address is different again.

I worry a bit that maybe Sprint assigns different port numbers to different "official" developers and then tracks usage, so by using this we might be causing charges to some other developer.

Hi Alex,
Did you get a reply from Sprint yet about whether it is OK to use that IP address and port?

Also if they come back and say that it is NOT OK, i wonder how hard would it be write our own PDE server and point to that one, I remember reading somewhere that the PDE server is quite well documented. The biggest challenge in understanding the PDE server is whether it just does some number crunching to come up with the coordinates using some algorithm or does it have to use the knowledge about existing cell towers in some fashion.
Thx
-Sachin

#79: Author: sakha,

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:57 am
—

arpruss wrote:

Interestingly, the PDE protocol looks like it's fully documented:
http://www.3gpp2.org/Public_html/specs/C.S0022-0_v3.0_121203.pdf

Here is the hexdump of the data that the phone sent to a spoof server i was running on port 5017 on my home machine if anyone is interested in it and can make any sense from it.

$ hexdump.exe -d PDE_DATA.dat
0000000 08252 12336 12336 12336 12336 12320 08249 12336
0000010 12832 08247 12598 24864 08243 25656 14624 08249
0000020 26162 14624 08246 13619 13344 08243 13153 12320
0000030 08240 12850 12320 08244 12592 08992 11808 10030
0000040 11873 11822 11823 17205 11822 11810 02606 08252
0000050 12336 12336 12336 12337 26144 08240 13616 12320
0000060 08240 12849 12320 08245 12336 12320 08244 12336
0000070 26144 08240 14385 12576 08245 12851 14368 08293
0000080 13879 13856 08291 26164 08992 11808 11822 11822
0000090 11822 11822 11822 11826 27766 02639 08252 12336
00000a0 12336 12336 12338 14368 08294 14384 13088 08242
00000b0 12848 13088 08294 12338 24864 08293 12336 12320
00000c0 08248 12342 12320 08249 26169 12320 08240 14128
00000d0 25120 08247 25954 08992 11808 12846 16174 11808
00000e0 11822 11872 11822 11822 02606 08252 12336 12336
00000f0 12336 12339 25888 08244 25441 24864 08244 25145
0000100 25120 08242 25187 13088 08242 26211 14112 08289
0000110 13157 12832 08289 25956 26144 08245 25655 14624
0000120 08243 26161 08992 11808 11822 11822 12846 31278
0000130 10798 11822 11901 02606 08252 12336 12336 12336
0000140 12340 25888 08290 25397 25632 08242 12387 12320
0000150 08247 25393 26144 08249 12344 12576 08291 25910
0000160 13856 08291 12850 24864 08293 25442 08224 08224
0000170 08224 08992 11808 11868 11822 11822 11822 27758
0000180 11810 02606
0000184

Thx
-Sachin

#80: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:45 pm
—

sakha wrote:

arpruss wrote:

Interestingly, the PDE protocol looks like it's fully documented:
http://www.3gpp2.org/Public_html/specs/C.S0022-0_v3.0_121203.pdf

Could you post a hex dump instead of an octal dump? (-t x1) Thanks a lot!

Alex

#81: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:44 pm
—
OK, I have a new version available at http://wap.mgmaps.com/alpha3.html, I added these lines to the constructor of GPSQJAE:

Code:

private static final int NET_IPADDRESS = 1142693681; // 68.28.31.49
private static final short NET_PORT = 5017;
...
Gps.setTransportProtocol(0);
Gps.setServerType(1);
Gps.setCustomServerConfig(NET_IPADDRESS, NET_PORT);

Hope it helps Smile

I'm not sure if the other calls to initialize gps and tracking are correct (the code of the GPSQJAE constructor is in my previous message), but let's see what happens with these settings.

Cristian.

#82: Author: sakha,

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:32 pm
—

Cristian Streng wrote:

OK, I have a new version available at http://wap.mgmaps.com/alpha3.html, I added these lines to the constructor of GPSQJAE:

Code:

Hope it helps Smile

I'm not sure if the other calls to initialize gps and tracking are correct (the code of the GPSQJAE constructor is in my previous message), but let's see what happens with these settings.

Cristian.

Cristian,
This did not work for me. In the debug log i did not see anything for gps service settings: it was blank. The Starting gps service of type: GPSInternal was correct.

The other problem is also that the midlet permission have to include com.qualcomm.qjae.gps.Gps could you possibly put that into the JAD file and also the MANIFEST file under META-INF in the jar file.

Oh I just decompiled your alpha-3 jar looks like the changes are not there, maybe you forgot to put the correct jar.

#83: Author: sakha,

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:35 pm
—

arpruss wrote:

sakha wrote:

arpruss wrote:

Interestingly, the PDE protocol looks like it's fully documented:
http://www.3gpp2.org/Public_html/specs/C.S0022-0_v3.0_121203.pdf

Could you post a hex dump instead of an octal dump? (-t x1) Thanks a lot!

Alex

Here you go,
hope this helps

$ hexdump.exe -x PDE_DATA.dat

0000000 203c 3030 3030 3030 3030 3020 2039 3030
0000010 3220 2037 3136 6120 2033 6438 3920 2039
0000020 6632 3920 2036 3533 3420 2033 3361 3020
0000030 2030 3232 3020 2034 3130 2320 2e20 272e
0000040 2e61 2e2e 2e2f 4335 2e2e 2e22 0a2e 203c
0000050 3030 3030 3030 3031 6620 2030 3530 3020
0000060 2030 3231 3020 2035 3030 3020 2034 3030
0000070 6620 2030 3831 3120 2035 3233 3820 2065
0000080 3637 3620 2063 6634 2320 2e20 2e2e 2e2e
0000090 2e2e 2e2e 2e2e 2e32 6c76 0a4f 203c 3030
00000a0 3030 3030 3032 3820 2066 3830 3320 2032
00000b0 3230 3320 2066 3032 6120 2065 3030 3020
00000c0 2038 3036 3020 2039 6639 3020 2030 3730
00000d0 6220 2037 6562 2320 2e20 322e 3f2e 2e20
00000e0 2e2e 2e60 2e2e 2e2e 0a2e 203c 3030 3030
00000f0 3030 3033 6520 2034 6361 6120 2034 6239
0000100 6220 2032 6263 3320 2032 6663 3720 2061
0000110 3365 3220 2061 6564 6620 2035 6437 3920
0000120 2033 6631 2320 2e20 2e2e 2e2e 322e 7a2e
0000130 2a2e 2e2e 2e7d 0a2e 203c 3030 3030 3030
0000140 3034 6520 2062 6335 6420 2032 3063 3020
0000150 2037 6331 6620 2039 3038 3120 2063 6536
0000160 3620 2063 3232 6120 2065 6362 2020 2020
0000170 2020 2320 2e20 2e5c 2e2e 2e2e 2e2e 6c6e
0000180 2e22 0a2e
0000184

Thx
-Sachin

#84: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:40 pm
—

sakha wrote:

The other problem is also that the midlet permission have to include com.qualcomm.qjae.gps.Gps could you possibly put that into the JAD file and also the MANIFEST file under META-INF in the jar file.

Oh I just decompiled your alpha-3 jar looks like the changes are not there, maybe you forgot to put the correct jar.

I don't think you got the right files. Maybe you had the old ones cached. The com.qualcomm.qjae.gps.Gps permission is included in the JAD and in the manifest, also the changes are in the jar (class aj).

#85: Works on Sprint phones now!!! Author: sakha,

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:54 am
—

Cristian Streng wrote:

sakha wrote:

Cristian,
You were right my bad, or some caching problem. The App works now correctly. The GPS co-ordinates are still off by about 2 houses from where I live though.
Cool, I am very happy.
Let me know if you need some help with the driving directions feature. That would be a good thing to have in this app. Also maybe turn-by-turn directions with audio like Garmin or Telenav.
Thx
-Sachin

#86: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:13 am
—
Sachin:

Out of curiosity, is this working without any editing of the policy file on your handset, and without signing, just with developer access enabled?

Alex

#87: Author: sakha,

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:29 am
—

arpruss wrote:

Sachin:

Out of curiosity, is this working without any editing of the policy file on your handset, and without signing, just with developer access enabled?

Alex

Alex,
Nope it works cause I have edited the policy file on the handset and also enabled developer root. Although i believe it would still work with the developer root enabled, this policy file is just like setting blanket permissions for all the applications, in case the policy file is not changed i believe it would ask for the permission the first time the app is started.

Now the sprint developer forums clearly state that we need a $400 verisign certificate for putting an app on the phone without each user having to enable the developer root on their phone, I am looking into checking whether a Thwate certificate would work instead, if the Thwate certificate works ( i can try to use a personal certificate) then we dont need the $400 verisign certificate. I can try that out on my wife's phone which is not developer enabled.
Hope this helps
Thx
-Sachin

#88: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:29 am
—

sakha wrote:

arpruss wrote:

Sachin:

Out of curiosity, is this working without any editing of the policy file on your handset, and without signing, just with developer access enabled?

Alex

Alex,
Nope it works cause I have edited the policy file on the handset and also enabled developer root.

Actually if you edit the policy file, then you don't need developer root at all, I think.

I may be paranoid, but I am afraid that editing the policy file might violate the DMCA, in that it may count as circumventing Sprint's/Qualcomm's access controls on their copyrighted qjae classes. (The DMCA is bad law, but alas it is law.)

#89: Author: sakha,

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:48 am
—

arpruss wrote:

sakha wrote:

arpruss wrote:

Sachin:

Out of curiosity, is this working without any editing of the policy file on your handset, and without signing, just with developer access enabled?

Alex

Alex,
Nope it works cause I have edited the policy file on the handset and also enabled developer root.

Alex,
I dunno seems like the _policy.txt file is just some convinience thing, I reset my _policy.txt file to the original one, which did not have permission for untrusted application, now when i check the permissions for the GpsTester App it shows "Never Allow" for everything including network, location, filesystem, bluetooth. Still the application works like a charm.
I would say if we can somehow use a Thwate or Verisign self signed certificate, we dont need to jump any hoops and still be perfectly legally doing this, of course that still leaves the PDE server IP/Port usage question unasnwered.
Thx
-Sachin

#90: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:41 am
—

sakha wrote:

I would say if we can somehow use a Thwate or Verisign self signed certificate...

It makes no sense. A self-signed certificate is a certificate where the signer (the CA) is the same as the certificate issuer. When you generate a self-signed certificate you create a CA and issue a certificate, then you sign it.

Cristian

#91: Author: sakha,

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:55 am
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Cristian Streng wrote:

sakha wrote:

I would say if we can somehow use a Thwate or Verisign self signed certificate...

Cristian,
you are right, what i said made no sense, what i wanted to saywas that if we could get a free email certificate from someone like Thwate and try o use that to sign the application then we could see if it works, meaning if the Verisign Certificate that sprint is asking for us to purchase is just hoopla and whether a free Thwate Email certificate could work instead.
The reason i say this is because i saw a Thwate Certificate installed on my phone alongwith a Verisign certificate.
Thx
-Sachin

#92: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:02 am
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sakha wrote:

Now the sprint developer forums clearly state that we need a $400 verisign certificate for putting an app on the phone without each user having to enable the developer root on their phone, I am looking into checking whether a Thwate certificate would work instead, if the Thwate certificate works ( i can try to use a personal certificate) then we dont need the $400 verisign certificate. I can try that out on my wife's phone which is not developer enabled.

A verisign certificate is actually $400/yr Evil or Very Mad

There are cheaper certs, but I don't know which of them would work. I think I tried a self-signed certificate at some point and it didn't work - which is obvious since it couldn't be verified against the CAs known by the phone.

#93: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:17 am
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sakha wrote:

you are right, what i said made no sense, what i wanted to saywas that if we could get a free email certificate from someone like Thwate and try o use that to sign the application then we could see if it works, meaning if the Verisign Certificate that sprint is asking for us to purchase is just hoopla and whether a free Thwate Email certificate could work instead.
The reason i say this is because i saw a Thwate Certificate installed on my phone alongwith a Verisign certificate.
Thx
-Sachin

I understand now, but I doubt it would work. These companies usually have a lot of CAs defined, with each CA for a specific purpose (web server cert, mail cert, code signing cert, etc.). The free certificates are most likely checked against a separate authority, which is not imported by the phone.

It would be great however if we could import or add root CAs to the phone CA database - that can be done on some Nokia/Symbian phones as described here. I'll try to set up a certificate and upload it on my server, set the content-type and everything and then see if it works.

Cristian

#94: Author: sakha,

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:39 am
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Cristian Streng wrote:

sakha wrote:

Tried doing that on my Samsung A920 sprint phone, it did not work. The request to push the certificate to the phone is simply ignored. Also I wonder whether even if i were to install the certificate into the phone using a USB cable, how good would that be, since Sprint developer documentation clearly mentions that access to any restricted API would be checked against the Verisign certification path by the Application Management System (AMS).

Also another thing i tried to install the OnDemand application on m wife's phone a Sanyo MM8300 and when i tried to use the GPS API the application just crashed, so the Sprint GPS API might be different for different phones, weird it is a MIDP2.0 phone though.
I am completely lost Rolling Eyes

-Sachin

#95: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:00 pm
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sakha wrote:

I dunno seems like the _policy.txt file is just some convinience thing, I reset my _policy.txt file to the original one, which did not have permission for untrusted application, now when i check the permissions for the GpsTester App it shows "Never Allow" for everything including network, location, filesystem, bluetooth. Still the application works like a charm.
I would say if we can somehow use a Thwate or Verisign self signed certificate, we dont need to jump any hoops and still be perfectly legally doing this, of course that still leaves the PDE server IP/Port usage question unasnwered.
Thx
-Sachin

Maybe it's the got the permissions settings for the app cached somewhere, and the "Never allow" doesn't match the saved settings?

I don't think a self-signed cert is going to work. The policy file specifies which signing authorities work.

#96: Author: chris52131,

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:01 am
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I have been following this thread and I thought I'd jump on. I have a new KRZR k1m on Sprint in the US. I have figured out how to use BitPim and edit files and have tried several versions of mobile gmaps on my phone but none of them can access the internal GPS. I registered my phone as a developer handset and I'd like to test a new version that is signed by a certificate as soon as it is available. I can't find the _policy.txt on my filelist, the brew folder does not contain it nor do any of its subdirectories.

If anyone knows what the _policy.txt file is called on this handset, let me know. Also as soon as new versions of mobilegmaps are posted on this forum I'll be testing them and providing my feedback.

Thanks!

#97: Author: sakha,

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:57 am
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chris52131 wrote:

I have been following this thread and I thought I'd jump on. I have a new KRZR k1m on Sprint in the US. I have figured out how to use BitPim and edit files and have tried several versions of mobile gmaps on my phone but none of them can access the internal GPS. I registered my phone as a developer handset and I'd like to test a new version that is signed by a certificate as soon as it is available. I can't find the _policy.txt on my filelist, the brew folder does not contain it nor do any of its subdirectories.

If anyone knows what the _policy.txt file is called on this handset, let me know. Also as soon as new versions of mobilegmaps are posted on this forum I'll be testing them and providing my feedback.

Thanks!

Hi chris,
I dont know about your specific phone model, but on my phone the _policy.txt file is located under brew/mod/obione folder. I would suggest that you should look through all the folders. Also I checked up phonescoop.com your phone KRZRk1m supposedly has builtin AGPS and is LBS aware. Having said that it could be using the motorola location api and not the sprint one, if that is the case i would suggest that you try the motorola version of MGMaps. The other thing you could do is if you have the OnDemand application bundled on your phone then you could try to use it to check out the weather or the maps service within that to see if GPS works on your phone.

As far as a signed version of this application goes, I guess might never happen since signing an applet requires the application creator to buy a $400/yr Evil or Very Mad

subscription from Verisign. So clearly since the application is free the creator cannot afford to shell out that kind of money per year only to give the application out free to the users. Unless of course someone has a spare Verisign Java Code Signing certificate lying around and they volunteer to create a signed jad for all of us Smile

Hope this helps. Please lemme know if you have any questions.
-Sachin

#98: Author: chris52131,

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:31 am
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sakha wrote:

chris52131 wrote:

Hope this helps. Please lemme know if you have any questions.
-Sachin

Hey thanks for the response. I've tried the motorola version as well but the certs on my phone won't let the unsigned application work. However, if we can sign the application ourself and push the cert onto the handset (which I can do on my phone with Bitpim) then perhaps it will work. Christian mentioned this several posts up when he said

Quote:

"It would be great however if we could import or add root CAs to the phone CA database - that can be done on some Nokia/Symbian phones as described here. I'll try to set up a certificate and upload it on my server, set the content-type and everything and then see if it works."

I'm about ready to generate a cert and sign the app myself, but I haven't read enough of the documentation to know if I can sign the class files or if I need to recompile the program from source code. In any case I can tool up something simple to hit the internal gps and test it out with that. I'll work on this more in the next few days.

#99: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:06 pm
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Bad news: Sprint tells me they cannot condone unauthorized use of GPS on the Sprint network, and they recommend Nextel instead. So I'm out of this discussion: I don't want to use Sprint's server against their will (that's wrong and perhaps even a crime).

#100: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:29 pm
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arpruss wrote:

Bad news: Sprint tells me they cannot condone unauthorized use of GPS on the Sprint network, and they recommend Nextel instead. So I'm out of this discussion: I don't want to use Sprint's server against their will (that's wrong and perhaps even a crime).

Hmm... I kinda expected this. I also thought Sprint and Nextel were the same thing.

#101: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:30 pm
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Cristian Streng wrote:

arpruss wrote:

Hmm... I kinda expected this. I also thought Sprint and Nextel were the same thing.

I think they're the same company but they have separate networks and separate hardware.

#102: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:41 pm
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They don't like editing the access file on the handset either: "You'd basically be hacking the phone and if you do that and damage your phone, you'd have no recourse to fix it. The signing protocol is put in place for the protection of customers and our network. Any known violations of this policy are referred to the Sprint corporate security department for investigation. "

#103: Author: sakha,

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:40 pm
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arpruss wrote:

They don't like editing the access file on the handset either: "You'd basically be hacking the phone and if you do that and damage your phone, you'd have no recourse to fix it. The signing protocol is put in place for the protection of customers and our network. Any known violations of this policy are referred to the Sprint corporate security department for investigation. "

Hmm, this is really sad news. They want to make money from their hosted GPS apps. There might still be some ray of hope, if the GPS protocol outlined by Qualcomm is well understood, then we can host our own server and not use their's. Of course people still would have to subscribe to their data plan for that to work. Also the big question of signing the app instead of hacking the _policy.txt file still remains, I wonder if there would be a way of using a Thwate free email signing certificate to sign the midlet to make it work. I have seen that my phone contains a Thwate certificate in addition to the Verisign one. Can people with other phones confirm what kind of certificates they see on their phones.

Also another wild idea would be to use a cross midlet communication. I know this could be a big overkill, but if all the GPS aware phones had an OnDemand kind of application which was able to retrieve the GPS coordinates, then we could try and use that to get the GPS fix.

#104: Author: sakha,

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:53 pm
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Cristian Streng wrote:

arpruss wrote:

Hmm... I kinda expected this. I also thought Sprint and Nextel were the same thing.

One of the BIG questions I had was, how much is having the GPS a critical feature? The reason I ask is that since MGMaps does not support turn-by-turn directions right now i dont know how getting the GPS fix helps us right now. Also Cristian, I was wondering how hard would it be to zero in to a map location based on an address or intersection punched in to MGMaps, google maps pc version and i guess their mobile version too, has this feature.

#105: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:04 pm
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sakha wrote:

Also the big question of signing the app instead of hacking the _policy.txt file still remains, I wonder if there would be a way of using a Thwate free email signing certificate to sign the midlet to make it work. I have seen that my phone contains a Thwate certificate in addition to the Verisign one. Can people with other phones confirm what kind of certificates they see on their phones.

I don't think it will work. Usually every big cert. provider (Verisign, Thawte, Equifax, etc.) has a set of different CA definitions for different purposes: email, web, code, etc. It's most likely they can't be interchanged, but it's worth a try.

#106: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:08 pm
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sakha wrote:

I'm afraid I don't quite understand everything here. MGMaps is fully functional on Sprint phones except for the GPS features. Still it remains a very important feature, as it's one that differentiates it from other apps (like the official google maps).

sakha wrote:

Also Cristian, I was wondering how hard would it be to zero in to a map location based on an address or intersection punched in to MGMaps, google maps pc version and i guess their mobile version too, has this feature.

What do you mean by this? Would you like to enter coords and go to that place? You can do that in MGMaps. Would you like to search for an address and move the map to that address? You can do that, it's implemented.

Cristian

#107: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:40 pm
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While this won't help with PDE access, maybe a bunch of non-profit or not-for-huge-profit developers could get together, make a corporate identity for themselves ("The Midlet Syndicate") and collectively buy a cert which they then share freely with each other.

#108: Author: sakha,

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:31 pm
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Cristian Streng wrote:

sakha wrote:

The reason i think it might actually work, is because it is the AMS ( Application Management System) on the Sprint phones, which controls if an application which has a JAD file requesting permissions for any of the restricted API's get installed on the phone or not. Once an application is installed then the AMS does not check if it has the right permissions to access the restricted API's that is the reason why the MGMaps application works after changing the policy file to install it and then the policy file is changed back to its original state.
Also I believe the AMS on sprint phones probably just checks if the app is signed by a verisign or thwate root cert.

#109: Author: sakha,

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:36 pm
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Cristian Streng wrote:

sakha wrote:

I am sorry i did not realize this is already supported, i should have RTFM or atleast tried out the search functionality, never mind.

I guess GPS and the ability to get your maps from different sources really differentiates MGMaps from the likes of google maps for mobile. In fact someday it might even rival the commercial applications viz. TeleNav and Garmin once MGMaps get audio turn-by-turn directions.

Now to support this on the Sprint phones which have an aGPS chip built in, we need to do two things one is try to somehow sign the midlet with a Thwate email cert to see if it will install.
Once that is accomplished it might make sense to create our own PDE server, so as not to use the Sprint one and violate any policy.

#110: Author: arpruss,

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:07 am
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sakha wrote:

I think that's not correct, but I could be wrong. You can always install apps directly via a USB cable, and then, I assume, there is no permissions check, but unsigned apps still don't work. I think what happened was that when you edited the policy file and installed, the index file for the app got modified with a note about the jar file being allowed to access these APIs. When the policy file got changed, the index file stayed the same.

#111: Author: sakha,

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:24 am
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arpruss wrote:

sakha wrote:

Alex,
I meant the app signed with a Thwate Email certificate and not an unsgned app. If the Thwate email certificate signed MGMAps app can somehow be installed onto the phone OTA not via a USB cable then it might actually work.
If someone has a Thwate email signing certificate lying around i would like to try doing that and report the results on my phone.

#112: a920 user checking in Author: jerm, Location: Illinois

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:19 am
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Just wanted to chime in my support for all the skilled efforts taking place here. I didn't want to leave sprint, but just I just got an a920 a month ago with all hopes pinned on MGMaps working on it.
I too am quite willing to do any testing on my device to help this project along. I would also happily chip in a portion of the cert expense if that's what ends up being necessary. It's the recurring aspect of the Verisign expense that really makes me hope for an alternative.
As far as I've read thus far, my understanding is that MGMaps will work on an a920 now so long as I edit some policy file, presumably with an application called "BitPim"? Please let me know if I'm incorrect.
thx-

Jerm

#113: Alpha3 runs on LG Fusic Author: noderunner,

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:38 pm
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I am happy to report that the alpha3 version runs OK on Fusic. The position is a tad off---Telenav seems to get it better---similar to what Sachin had. But, it works!

The Location API still needs to be unlocked through the phone policy, of course. (Then again, having an application signed, it turns out, can be a double-edged sword: Sprint recently made available a signed version of the GMail midlet that, at least on Fusics, does not let you to allow the Network Access at all. So, while the original unsigned one from Google works just fine, the signed one is totally useless.)

Thanks a lot guys! Hope this will make it into the official release soon!...

#114: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:44 pm
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Thanks for letting me know, I'll probably make an "official" release for Sprint soon. Maybe you or someone else can write some instructions for newbies on how to enable Sprint developer access...

Cristian

#115: Sprint Beta on Razr Author: Ram1,

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:40 pm
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First off, I wanted to thank y'all for your efforts. I think it's great that there is a worthwhile GPS app available from someone other than the money-grubbing big corporations.

Secondly, I wanted to let you know that I installed the Beta on my Sprint Razr V3m. GMaps pulled GPS data from the phone and I was able to locate my position with the "Where am I" service.

A couple of notes on my install. I wasn't able to get it to install from the phone's browser. However, I did install the current stable version (to get the Brew index setup), and then I downloaded the Beta .jar and .jad and overwrote those via BitPim. As far as enabling the app to use GPS, I simply edited the app config file (in my case 2.txt in the brew/mod/obione/jas/index directory) using BitPim (mentioned on page 2 of this thread, but for QPST). I don't think that the Razr (and thus, probably not the Krzr, either) use a _policy.txt or _access.txt. I looked throughout the entire phone file system to no avail. It is possible that these values are stored in a "seem", and while I've used P2KManager, I don't have it in me to hunt that offset/bit down. Maybe someone else reading this thread knows more about the Motorolas (seems like much of this thread has been around the Samsungs, though).

There are a couple of things that, for now, I'm just attributing to the Beta. It seems to me that after pulling the initial GPS data, I get one more GPS refresh update, and that's it. I tried walking down the block to see if the marker or map would move (I tried both settings), but nothing changed after one refresh. Also, if I try to go to "Service-GPS Where Am I" before actually starting the app (this is possible from a non-auto-start, initial app screen), I get all sorts of exception errors. This would seem normal, since the app hasn't started pulling GPS data, yet. I just thought I'd let you know about that second issue from a UAT perspective.

Great app... I really like it. I look forward to the final, Sprint version. I'll keep testing and providing feedback on it. Good work, Chris!

- Erich.

#116: enabling an a920 Author: jerm, Location: Illinois

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:49 pm
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So I originally purchased the Samsung A920 phone specifically because I thought the Java OS would be more versatile for this type of thing than the alternative Brew OS, like on the A900. Was I incorrect? BitPim has no support for the A920, and I'm not clear on how to get this thing unlocked. I registered this phone as a devel device... apparently, there's more I need to do. Dying to try/test the app, just need to know how to get my a920 to allow it.
thx-

Jeremy

#117: Author: mystica555,

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:52 am
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Hi there.

I just now have registered for this forum, after having used gmaps for the better part of this year. I do however have some interesting news to report regarding the LG LX-550 Fusic phone, "GpsTester" and Gmaps newest sprint-enabled alpha, grabbed from the page earlier tonight.

Using the permissions textfile hack (which I found myself with QPST earlier, after refusing flat-out to spend $400 to sign, and install via the sprint software any apps i wanted to run: gcalsync, a mobile FTP client, and gps apps) the fusic properly reports my location -to within ~15 feet-!
It shows the blue pointer on my house, albeit above my living room, not my bedroom where i currently am. I consider this perfectly acceptable. I did not have to do anything except the blanket permissions for all required features, and told it to enable location and network.

On a side note, GPStester fails with "Error: System Out Of Resources" and lists no IP for a server or anything in the 'info' menu. All that are listed are: "Server Type= Default" and "Protocol = TCP/IP" However, im not sure if I'm using the most "up to date" gpstester, as the one i found tonight dates from 2004. Of note, the Fusic has a somewhat anemic ram size for java programs, and as such certain benchmark programs refuse to run properly. I'm not sure of the exact value of this ram size for programs, if you have a testing app I'd be happy to run it.

Also, while the map is able to find me quite well, I do not get any sort of "speed" or "elevation" readings from gmaps main screen, and I'm not sure its doing any more than 3 or 4 fixes past the initial ones, as on the bus ride home today it was not moving the pointer after successfully finding the current location. This I personally attributed at the time to the fact i told it to scroll the map screen, and i may have been having vision connectivity issues. Connectivity issues are implausible however, as I was within about .5 miles of a confirmed tower.

Thanks for such a great program!

Mike

PS: In regard to Thawte certificates, none of the phones that I have taken either QPST or BitPim to, have shown anything but Sprint and Verisign certificates. None from thawte or any other "3rd party" vendors.

Sprints permission system also seems to work like this: You must have your own cert, which costs $400, then use sprint's developer application to take your app, already signed with your cert, to add a sprint cert to it. IMHO it seems that the only reason you need a Verisign cert is to authenticate your app with Sprint's developers tool software, and not so much the phone.

PPSS: If you want any information / details about any current sprint handsets, please list the models. I am a current RadioShack employee with access to most major consumer-end handsets, sadly our store was pulled from the "high end/business handset" program, so no access to newer Palms or Blackberries.

NOTE: Any information must be able to be attained with bitpim/QPST, as none of the handsets I would be doing anything on are actually activated.

#118: Re: enabling an a920 Author: sakha,

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:55 am
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jerm wrote:

So I originally purchased the Samsung A920 phone specifically because I thought the Java OS would be more versatile for this type of thing than the alternative Brew OS, like on the A900. Was I incorrect? BitPim has no support for the A920, and I'm not clear on how to get this thing unlocked. I registered this phone as a devel device... apparently, there's more I need to do. Dying to try/test the app, just need to know how to get my a920 to allow it.
thx-

Jeremy

Jeremy,
If you have registered this phone as a developer device then, the sprint app developer application should have sent a secret txt msg to your phone enabling it as such, unfortunately there is no way to check that, meaning there is no indicator for the message.

The easy steps for you are to get the MSL number from a Sprint Rep by calling them up and asking them for it, it is specific for each phone. If one rep gives you a hard time ask another one.

Once you have the MSL number ( or whatever it is called ) then you are all set. Get the QPST app ( google for it and get the latest version). Hook up you A920 to you PC via USB and start the QPST app, QPST will detect the phone and ask you for the MSL number, punch that in and then it would start with an explorer like interface to read your phones memory.

At this point locate the _policy.txt file on the phone, i believe it lives in the /brew/mod/obione folder or some such. Copy this policy file to your phone by right-clicking on the file and choosing 'Copy to Phone' . Once you have the file open it up in an editor like notepad. Append the following text to the end of the file.

domain: untrusted

allow: wma_api_receive

allow: wma_api_send

allow: mmapi

allow: push_registry

allow: satsa

allow: sprint_extensions

allow: gps_api

allow: pim_api

allow: midp_net

allow: file_connection

allow: bluetooth

After you have done that save the file and exit the editor.
Now copy this file over the existing _policy.txt file on the phone, you need to basically overwrite this file on the phone, this allows any midlet access to all the functionality on the phone.

At this point you are all set, exit QPST, it might ask you to reboot the phone, do that.

After this just download the alpha3 ( sprint specific ) version of the MGMaps app on the phone, the link is mentioned by Cristian Streng on one of the earlier posts.

Enjoy the app !!! Smile

Hope this helps, gimme a holler if you need any further help.
-Sachin

Cristian Streng,
Thanks a lot for such a wonderful app.

#119: BitPim Author: mystica555,

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:02 am
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For what its worth, even if BitPim does not "support" your phone, it is still quite able to view the filesystem and make the same sort of changes QPST is able to make, with the added benefit of being Free software, rather than pirated proprietary software. (Free as in 'free speech', not just cost)

Mike

#120: Author: sakha,

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:05 am
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Cristian Streng wrote:

Thanks for letting me know, I'll probably make an "official" release for Sprint soon. Maybe you or someone else can write some instructions for newbies on how to enable Sprint developer access...

Cristian

Cristian,
Thanks a lot for this wonderful app. I should say your app is like the saving grace for a lot of folks out there who refuse to shell out money to sprint per month or to any other corporation simply to use some functionality which already exists on the phone.

I experienced similar problems to what is reported by other on this forum who got the app working.
viz. 1) Location is a tad off, sometimes by as much as a block!!!
2) no speed or altitude info ( this could be because we do not have the correct calls to the correct API in the app)
3) The app does only a single GPS fix and stops, so lets say you are on a bus or train then the location is not updated( I say this because i tried the Garmin app and it gave the accurate location and also kept updating the location as I moved)

To whoever reported that the GpsTester was not working, you need to get a modified version of the app, which specifies the sprint location server and port, not the stock app.

Cheers again for such a nice app.

And while we are on that topic, may i suggest another really nifty app ORB ( google for it) which lets you stream music and video to your phone from you home PC, including even internet radio and TV, i use it all the time and i luv it.

Thats it for now.
-Sachin

#121: Re: BitPim Author: sakha,

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:10 am
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mystica555 wrote:

For what its worth, even if BitPim does not "support" your phone, it is still quite able to view the filesystem and make the same sort of changes QPST is able to make, with the added benefit of being Free software, rather than pirated proprietary software. (Free as in 'free speech', not just cost)

Mike

mystica555,
really? id did not know that, i tried hard to use BitPim but it refuses to communicate with my phone, a SAMSUNG A920, cause i would luv to use that one instead of the QPST ( which like you pointed out correctly is priated propreitery software ) can you instruct me how to use BitPim to communicate with my phone i mean what settings do i use etc.

As for your question about GpsTester, that stock GpsTester wont work, i had a modified version of the program, which basically put the correct sprint PDE server IP and port, which i was able to run successfully, i do not have my server up and running right now, but once i have it i can post a link to it.

Cheers
-Sachin

#122: Author: mystica555,

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:19 am
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sakha wrote:

To whoever reported that the GpsTester was not working, you need to get a modified version of the app, which specifies the sprint location server and port, not the stock app.

Cheers again for such a nice app.

And while we are on that topic, may i suggest another really nifty app ORB ( google for it) which lets you stream music and video to your phone from you home PC, including even internet radio and TV, i use it all the time and i luv it.

Thats it for now.
-Sachin

Where can this modified version of gpstester be found?
Also, I wish that I could use Orb, however being a Windows only program and I only use Linux, its sort of not totally usable. I only wish it were.

Mike

#123: Re: BitPim Author: mystica555,

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:52 am
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sakha wrote:

--EDITED so as to be a bit clearer--

Basically this should work on either Windows, Linux or MacOSX.

Go to bitpim.org to get the latest and greatest version, apparently one as recent as December 07 has been released.

Download that, then install it. Once you run bitpim the first time, it pops open a tour window. Unless you want to read about what bitpim is, you can close that. From here, go to the main window and go to the "Edit" menu, and select "Detect Phone". On most systems this will automagically find a "Other CDMA Phone". Sometimes there can be permissions issues with Linux and perhaps OSX but if you are the root user this wont be an issue.

At this point you should have a dialog box saying "Other CDMA Phone Detected" on some address. This is good. Now, apparently new versions of BitPim (newer than a few months ago at least) need to be told that it is "ok" to write things to nonsupported phones. So go to the "Edit" menu, "Settings" option, and at the top of that dialog box, uncheck the "Block writing anything to the phone" option. You will probably need to restart bitpim for this setting to take effect.

Now you will notice on the left side how there is a file browser tree thing. Click on "Filesystem". Then to the immediate right of this, is another tree column. There should be exactly 1 folder, which you need to click to expand down. Please note: if you have a lot of images stored on your phone, this will slow down indexing/processing of the filesystem, so if possible delete the images, or transfer them to a memory card and remove the card from the phone.

From here, it should be very similar to browse the filesystem to find your _policy.txt. Rightclick on this, and "save" to somewhere on your computer.

Open the file in any text editor and hack away to your liking, personally I leave my "untrusted" section as follows:

domain: untrusted
allow: wma_api_receive
allow: wma_api_send
allow: mmapi
allow: push_registry
allow: satsa
allow: sprint_extensions
blanket(oneshot): gps_api
blanket(oneshot): pim_api
blanket(oneshot): midp_net
blanket(oneshot): file_connection
blanket(oneshot): bluetooth

This way, if I -were- to download a malicious application, at least it gives me confirmation that I do indeed want to use any of the functions.

From here, go back to bitpim.

Right-click on the folder in that middle column that contains the _policy.txt, and go to "new file". In the file finder dialog box, select _policy.txt and hit "ok". It will write that to the phone.

Right click on any folder, and go to "reboot phone" to make sure the change stays.

That should be it!

Any more questions, let me know.

Mike

#124: Author: mystica555,

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:20 am
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Also, regarding bitpim: it appears that you need to select "Detect Phone" every single time you use it, if the phone has been disconnected from the computer / rebooted. This is because the internal usb address can change (on Linux it does, Windows, not so sure) so if you get weird errors, re-detect and you should be ok.

Mike.

#125: BitPim and a920 Author: jerm, Location: Illinois

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:38 am
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So after I added my phone as a devel device on Sprint's devel site, I never got any text msg confirmation. Perhaps I should try that again or something?

BitPim is still a no go on the Samsung a920. I followed the instructions above, but never get a dialog box telling me "Other CDMA Phone Detected". I try to set it manually, but that doesn't work either.

I haven't located/tried QPST yet, but isn't that just for brew based phones? The a920 runs a java OS... will that even work?
thx-

Jeremy

#126: Re: BitPim and a920 Author: mystica555,

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:40 am
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jerm wrote:

So after I added my phone as a devel device on Sprint's devel site, I never got any text msg confirmation. Perhaps I should try that again or something?

No, this is not something you will see. Its a hidden text message that only the phone recognizes, and doesn't give any sort of indication that it was received.

Quote:

BitPim is still a no go on the Samsung a920. I followed the instructions above, but never get a dialog box telling me "Other CDMA Phone Detected". I try to set it manually, but that doesn't work either.

My first question would be: What operating system are you running?
Second question would be: if you are running windows, have you loaded the proper driver for your phone?
EDIT: recommended wrong driver the first time, fixed, sorry
If you don't remember loading any drivers, or if your System control panel > hardware tab > device manager shows any yellow question marks, please visit:
http://www.futuredial.com/support/download/USB_Drivers.htm and download the drivers under the Samsung icon, the first one should work but if it doesn't seem to recognize the cable, try the other driver (the prolific one.)
Install these, then try again. I can almost bet thats your problem.

Quote:

I haven't located/tried QPST yet, but isn't that just for brew based phones? The a920 runs a java OS... will that even work?
thx-
Jeremy

Actually, the actual Qualcomm chipsets that power both types of CDMA phones can support EITHER Brew OR Java, its up to the carrirer (sprint vs verizon) to decied what they choose to use to provide add-on applications. The handset doesn't actually run the OS in brew or java, but rather an ARM processor specific "Real time operating system" with capability to run addons made for either brew or java. Whats interesting, is that -any- qualcomm chipped phone is usable with bitpim/QPST, even Cingular's "3G" handsets. Smile

Mike

#127: Author: jerm, Location: Illinois

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:38 am
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I'm running WindowsXP, using the driver that came w/ the connection manager software from Sprint's site. There is no driver for the A920 on Samsung's site. Incidentally, the connection mgmt software does not allow me to dial up successfully (tells me wrong user/pass). But it does indicate signal strength and detect the phone. I had originally checked Samsung's site, but no driver is available there.
Device manager shows no caution flags... and the samsung cdma modem is shown as a device working properly.

I haven't tried using the driver from the site you mentioned, but I did look at it. I noticed that the a920 is not mentioned in the list of supported phones by the available samsung package. (perhaps not a complete list?)

In any case, I assume that because device manager shows things working properly, that I shouldn't even bother w/ that route. I'll dig around for QPST and see where I can get.

Lastly, I guess I should mention my connection method. I'm just using the USB cable that came w/ the phone. Should I be attempting this via BT or something?
thx-

Jeremy

#128: Author: mystica555,

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:15 am
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Hmm.. Were you trying to use bitpim with the sprint connection manager software turned on? That could cause issues.

I wish i could get my hands on an a920 and figure out whats going on with that phone.. I still wouldnt rule out the driver though; there may be limited functionality provided with the sprint drivers. Try that futuredial site, and either the samsung or prolific drivers, maybe one or the other may work better..

Mike

#129: Author: jerm, Location: Illinois

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 pm
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Nope... didn't have the PCS Connection Manager s/w running at the time (checked systray too, to be sure).

I also tried the futuredial prolific drivers that are apparently supposed to support whatever samsung phones the other samsung download didn't cover. I went to update the driver, and it "can't find a suitable driver for that device", so it must not be right for it.

Maybe I'll try the other download that explicitly lists all the phones it supports (a920 not mentioned) anyway, to see what it says.
(I wish you had an A920 in your hands to see as well) Smile

thx-

Jeremy

#130: Author: jerm, Location: Illinois

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:11 am
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I'm beginning to wonder if the a920 connection limitation is due to the cable itself... these posts seem to imply that the cable is somehow limited to contact transfer and modem traffic only.
http://forums.mobiledia.com/topic43726-0-asc-10.html

Jeremy

#131: I still need some help Author: error, Location: USA

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:16 am
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I've been reading all the posts in this topic from April. I have Sprint, and the Motorola Krzr K1m. I've downloaded the alpha 3 version, and that does not work.
There is an option on my phone to allow or deny access to GPS for telnav because it's from sprint. But when I try to access the option for mgmaps, it only shows deny GPS access, and there is no way I can change it.

I am curious about the sprint developer thing, I am at the page to sign up: https://developer.sprint.com/user/RegisterUser.jsp but I have no idea if it will work. Anyone try that yet?

Anyway, I don't have a USB cable, all I have is a memory card. The only thing the memory card is good for is music.

I am completely clueless, I really love your program, I wish it would work for me.

#132: Access authorization for GPS Author: Ram1,

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:20 am
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Error... if you look earlier in this thread (http://forum.mgmaps.com/viewtopic.php?p=623#623), you'll see some info regarding manipulation of a .txt file associated with the app once it's installed on your phone. You'll need to access that file via the phone's filesystem, which can be done via the BitPim app (the way I did it) in lieu of the QPST that's been discussed in that post.

You'll probably have to jump through some hoops to get the K1M to connect via BitPim and a USB cable, but I managed it with my V3m. Anyway, you might find more info by searching here or on Howard Forums for "K1M" and "BitPim".

Once you find that .txt file (look at my post, http://forum.mgmaps.com/viewtopic.php?p=1169#1169, on the previous page of this thread for the location in the directory structure of your phone), you will save it to your computer and change the line of code that is specified. Then replace the file back onto your phone (again, via BitPim).

I didn't need to activate the root access on my phone, and I don't think you'll need to do it with the K1M (they are similar "under the covers"). You can always do that if you want, though.

Good Luck!

#133: How about on a Treo 700 p or wx? Author: obsidian,

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:10 pm
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I'm about to decide between getting a Treo 700 p or wx from Sprint, and wondering if MGMaps and GPS are currently (or soon to be) working for either? Any ideas? THIS would be the killer app, as far as I'm concerned.
(Esp if it shows exit numbers on highways, like MapQuest does!)

Thanks.

#134: Success on Samsung SPH-A920 Author: knightrage,

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:49 am
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I am Using a Sprint Samsung SPH-A920 updated to the latest firmware drivers.

First I used the QPST _policys.txt hack (not BitPim). Then I downloaded the alpha 3 build (http://wap.mgmaps.com/alpha3.html), configured it to use the Internal (Sprint) GPS receiver, started the application, and it pinpointed my location.

I was not standing outside and it was pretty accurate.

#135: Author: jerm, Location: Illinois

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:07 am
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That's excellent to hear! What drivers do you use to connect to your phone w/ the USB cable? And I presume you're using the USB cable that came w/ the phone? I tried downloading alpha3 the other day and got an error with repeated tries. Did you download it directly to your phone or transfer it via the pc somehow?
thx-

Jeremy

#136: Author: obsidian,

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:09 am
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Is this a good indicator of which phones have the potential to work?:
http://www.telenav.com/products/tn/devices/sprint.html

If so, then it looks like a Treo will need external hardware...

Unless - perhaps Navizon premium will eventually be released for Palm OS.

Thoughts, anyone?

#137: Samsung SPH-A920 Author: knightrage,

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:13 pm
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Sorry for not being too specific.

I used the Sprint Connection Manager drivers from Sprint (http://www.sprint.com/downloads) and the original USB cable that came with the phone. I did not transfer the application using the cable; instead, i just downloaded it from the mobile web browser. All I used the USB cable for was the QPST _policys.txt hack.

The only problem with GPS i have now is that it doesn't update. It finds the initial position when the map starts, but that's about it. I realized this today when I was driving down the road. I have it set to Auto-sync: Move Map and Refresh (sec): 2, but it doesn't get new coordinates. If I move the cursor, 2 seconds later it sets it back to the first coordinates that I got.

EDIT: Updating works fine now only sometimes... Seems to be hit or miss. Dunno why. *shrug*

#138: Samsung SPH-A920 Author: knightrage,

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:22 am
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Hey Cristian:

In the alpha3 for GPS information gathering, are you using the QJAE GPS one-shot method of Gps.requestPosition() every X seconds (where X = refresh rate set in GPS settings) or the tracking method Gps.requestPositionTrack() with the timeBetweenFixes parameter as X?

The reason I ask is because (with the post I made above) sometimes it just doesn't update at all. I drove about ten minutes, and my cursor didn't move. I have it set to GPS Auto-sync: move map and Refresh: 3. I tried different refresh rates (3,5,10,15) and neither of them really constantly worked. I say 'constantly' because... well, sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. The lat/long coordinates in the GPS box in the lower-left corner also do not change. If i move my cursor in the map, it eventually re-centers the map to my old GPS coord location.

I made a small GPS Tester app that uses the Gps.requestPositionTrack() and Connector.open() to send coordinates to my home computer (to create routes) and it always has new coordinates every time.

So if you are using Gps.requestPosition() then maybe you should use Gps.requestPositionTrack() instead.

And if you are indeed using Gps.requestPositionTrack(), any idea why MGMaps doesn't get new coords sometimes?

Thanks in advance,

#139: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:21 pm
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The code I use at GPS initialization looks like this:

Code:

try {
Gps.startSession(this);
Logger.debug("GPSQJAE started");

// transport protocol
Gps.setTransportProtocol(0);
Gps.setServerType(1);
Gps.setCustomServerConfig(NET_IPADDRESS, NET_PORT);

// one-shot
Gps.setOptimizationType(Gps.OPTIMIZE_FOR_ACCURACY);
Gps.setQoS(31); // max 31 seconds for a fix
Gps.requestPosition(Gps.SVC_TYPE_ALL);

// tracking
Gps.setOptimizationType(Gps.OPTIMIZE_FOR_ACCURACY);
Gps.setQoS(31);
Gps.requestPositionTrack(Gps.SVC_TYPE_ALL, 65500, (UPDATE_INTERVAL<<1)/1000, Gps.TRACK_NETWORK);
}
catch (Exception ex) {
Logger.handle(ex, false, "Error initializing Qualcomm location services");
}

Any suggestions on how to improve this? Any specific values to use?

Regards,
Cristian

#140: Author: knightrage,

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:46 pm
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Well, mine is a bit simplier.

Code:

Gps.startSession(this);
Gps.setTransportProtocol(0);
Gps.setServerType(1);
Gps.setCustomServerConfig(1142693681, (short)5017);
Gps.setOptimizationType(Gps.OPTIMIZE_FOR_ACCURACY);
Gps.requestPositionTrack(Gps.SVC_TYPE_ALL,0);

I use 0 in Gps.requestPositionTrack() because the QJAE docs say:

Quote:

Time between fixes
This specifies the time interval in seconds between fixes in position tracking. It can be
specified as a parameter to the method requestPositionTrack().The valid range is 0 to
255. A value of 0 means that new position information is calculated as fast as possible.
Default is 0.

So.... I think you should remove the 'one-shot' block and just use the 'tracking' block that you have listed.

I'm not sure why your left-shifting on UPDATE_INTERVAL and dividing by 1000 (is update interval stored as milliseconds?) And try the requestPosition method that uses unlimited fixes and default track mode:

Code:

Gps.requestPositionTrack(Gps.SVC_TYPE_ALL, UPDATE_INTERVAL/1000);

It only needs to be called once when the application starts or the GPS device is changed to the internal Sprint GPS device.

When Auto-sync mode is set to "Move Map," in what method do you move it? I think it should be in the callback method handleEvent(). I ask because if I set my GPS Refresh rate to 1 sec, the map moves every second, but the Qualcomm GPS method cannot find a fix within 1 seconds (at least on my Samsung SPH-A920) So, I don't know if it's trying to move back to the old location and the application sends another requestPosition() that resets one that is already active or whatever.

If the "Move Map" method is in handleEvent(), then I think you should allow the user to enter 0 as the Refresh Rate to mean "As fast as possible." Right now, if I enter 0 into MGMaps, it just reverts back to the old setting. When I used 0 in the application I made, I was able to get different coordinates for >5 miles, which is when i stopped the application.

Sorry if I didn't explain something very well. If you implement these [or any] changes in the alpha, I'll be more than happy to help you test.

#141: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:14 pm
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Thanks - I'll implement them only next week, I'll take some holidays until then.

Cristian

#142: Author: knightrage,

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:24 pm
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Any update?

#143: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:15 pm
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No update yet... maybe next week.

Cristian

#144: GPS on Sprint V3m does not work Author: rickgtx,

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:18 pm
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I do not get any GPS readings on my Sprint V3m. I downloaded and installed MGMaps v1.30.11 from http://wap.mgmaps.com/ and followed Ram1's post http://forum.mgmaps.com/viewtopic.php?p=1169#1169 on page 8.

I changed the PERM: 1=0 to 1=1 and tried 1=2 in my .txt file:

Code:

PERM: 0=2,1=1,2=0,3=0,4=0,5=0

Once I select Internal GPS in the Settings, the GPS box on the map pops up with (N/A) in the fields and the Bluetooth icon appears in title bar

Is there a test app for the Sprint V3m to see if I can get GPS readings?

This is a GREAT app! Hope to see it go further.

Thanks,
Rick

#145: Re: GPS on Sprint V3m does not work Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:15 am
—

rickgtx wrote:

Is there a test app for the Sprint V3m to see if I can get GPS readings?

Yes, you can get it at http://wap.mgmaps.com/alpha3.html.

Cristian

#146: GPS on Sprint V3m works with alpha3 Author: rickgtx,

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:14 pm
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Cristian, Thanks!!

Cristian Streng wrote:

Yes, you can get it at http://wap.mgmaps.com/alpha3.html.

To recap, I got an error downloading alpha3 to the Sprint V3m and needed to copy it to the phone via Ram1's instructions http://forum.mgmaps.com/viewtopic.php?p=1169#1169 on page 8.

Rick

#147: Author: gateway,

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:57 am
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Hi, im also trying to get this to work on my new sprint phone..
Samsung SPHM610 or M610: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=1058

anyhow, I tried all versions I could download and no luck yet on the gps, I also just tried to download the alpha3 but when it downloads and installs I get an error saying:

download failed, the issue has been reported, please try again later 910 application authorization failure ??

any ideas on this? sorry I tried to read though most of the posts on this , maybe im missing something.

#148: Author: itZme,

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:02 am
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Well, I read all of the thread carefully and then went to work on my LG Fusic. I have the vision package so anytime after 7 I can test anything you would like. I would love to help and can follow directions easily but have no mobile developing experience. I went to the Sprint page and signed up as a developer and enabled my ESN.

There were several limitations listed and I don't know if this is new and will block further attempts but here is the info off the sprint site:

>>>Sprint has restricted access to certain functionality provided to most MIDP 2.0 devices. This functionality consists of:

* JSR-135 Mobile Media 1.1 API
* JSR-120 Wireless Messaging 1.1 API
* JSR-75 Personal information Management
* JSR-179 Location API
* Qualcomm Java Application Extensions (QJAE) Location API

To access the above restricted API's, you may need to complete some pre-work. If you do not already have a certificate from VeriSign, then you must request a Java Class 3 signed certificate at a cost of $499.00 a year paid to VeriSign.<<<

1) I downloaded the ALPHA3 FILE (says 1.28.12 - Nov. 10, 2006 on my phone)
2) I went into BitPim and found the _policy.txt file. In my Fusic it was located at >filesystem>brew>ams>_policy.txt.
3) I backed it up on my hard drive.

4) Then edited with the info supplied by mystica555 and sakha. (copy from "Domain: untrusted" down to "blanket(oneshot): bluetooth" and paste OVER all your "Domain: untrusted in the original file)
5) Then click "FILE" > "SAVE AS" and name it something a bit different so you don't lose the original on your hard drive. (I named mine lg_policy.txt)

6) I overwrote the old _policy.txt file with the new lg_policy.txt file on the phone. (right click the _policy and then choose "overwrite", browse to your new lg_policy.txt file and select it) The name does NOT change on BitPim because you are overwriting the _policy.txt file not replacing it.

7) Reboot the phone with BitPim

When I got to Gmaps on the phone I changed settings to GPS> "internal Sprint" and hit GPS - where am I?

IT WORKS! It located me very accurately. Thank you for the work!

I will help with documenting (better screen shots, better tutorials, whatever) if needed.

Now if I could just get it to locate my daughters phone from this APP I could cancel the family locator service.

One problem I had that was worth noting was that if I changed the _policy.txt file BEFORE downloading your alpha3 app it would get to the end of the download and reboot my phone. I had to reload the old _policy.txt file then get the new alpha3 file THEN overwrite the _policy.txt again to get things working.

Hope this helps somebody out... If anybody doesn't want to sign up for the sprint developer site or is confused PM me with your ESN hex and I will add you to the list of enabled phones so you can get this to work.
-- itZme

#149: Sprint download error 910 Author: rickgtx,

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:11 pm
—

gateway wrote:

download failed, the issue has been reported, please try again later 910 application authorization failure ??

any ideas on this? sorry I tried to read though most of the posts on this , maybe im missing something.

I got the same error. The alpha3 version of Mobile GMaps works with the Sprint RAZR V3m internal GPS so it may work with yours too. It gives you your location plus the normal GMaps functions. You need to copy the files (jad and jar) from http://wap.mgmaps.com/alpha3.html to your PC and follow the instructions from Ram1 at http://forum.mgmaps.com/viewtopic.php?p=1169#1169 to copy them to your phone from your PC. You need P2K to find you MSL and QPST or BitPim to copy the files to your phone. Not sure what edits you need to make for the Samsung phone. Need to check the forum.

#150: Author: gateway,

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:14 pm
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thanks, unfortunately my phone didn't come with its sync cable so i have one on order, which as soon as ill get it try the above. telenav seems to work but man why $9.00 a month? crazy..

one thing that I would LOVE, is the ability to geo target photos taken from the cell phone. u can embed the geo location into the exif photo data, or use apps that take the way points recorded and match it with timestamps of your photos taken, i know its sorta off topic but would be awesome Smile

#151: Author: itZme,

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:19 am
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Just like to post an update. I went to the sprint developer site today and released my handset so it is no longer "developer enabled". MGMaps is still working fine. I now assume you do not need to enable your phone from the developer site but ONLY need to edit the policy file to get this APP to work as some people suggested.

-- itZme

#152: Success on M610 Author: panthar,

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:58 pm
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Just wanted to let you know that the alpha3 version worked perfectly on a Samsung M610, with the policy.txt edited. Excellent work on this app!

#153: Re: Sprint download error 910 Author: JohanD,

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:16 pm
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rickgtx wrote:

Thanks all, this looks like a great app!

I'm trying to follow these directions from rickgtx and Ram1 for the V3m, but I'm running into a few issues:

- Permissions: So far I've been unable to give the app location permissions. It always says "Never Allow" in the settings. From poking around with BitPim, it seems that only apps with signatures have location access. This is what I've done:
1. I've enabled enable the developer root on the sprint website. The status is currently listed as "Y", so I assume it worked.
2. Used BitPim to set the location permission to "1" in the app's *.txt file. I can read it back and see that it has been set, but it doesn't seem to have any effect. As mentioned previously by Ram1, I haven't found a policy.txt or an access.txt.

- Alpha3 install: I'm only seeing the .jad file from the web link. Should I be installing a specific .jar file? I've just been downloading the stable release and overwriting the .jad file with the alpha .jad via BitPim. This works fine, aside from the permissions issue that I mentioned.

Have I missed a step somewhere? I also have my MSL code, but I didn't see anything that I was supposed to do with it, aside from using QPST.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

#154: Author: itZme,

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:27 pm
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I don't know about your particular phone but I think they are all pretty much in the same location. In BitPim you click on FileSystem then click the plus sign next to the " / " in the second window pane to expand the FileSystem. On my LG Fusic it was inside the asm folder and it was just called _policy.txt . It had the underscore in the begining of the filename. I read the post by Ram1 and he says "in my case 2.txt in the brew/mod/obione/jas/index directory". The thing you probably weren't aware of is that the BREW folder is inside the FileSystem folder. Let us know how you do after reading this.

Good Luck!
-- itZme

#155: Author: JohanD,

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:45 pm
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itZme wrote:

I don't know about your particular phone but I think they are all pretty much in the same location. In BitPim you click on FileSystem then click the plus sign next to the " / " in the second window pane to expand the FileSystem. On my LG Fusic it was inside the asm folder and it was just called _policy.txt . It had the underscore in the begining of the filename. I read the post by Ram1 and he says "in my case 2.txt in the brew/mod/obione/jas/index directory". The thing you probably weren't aware of is that the BREW folder is inside the FileSystem folder. Let us know how you do after reading this.

Good Luck!
-- itZme

Thanks for the reply!

That is actually the directory where my app specific config files are. I've already tried changing the permissions for mgmaps... but haven't found anything like your _policy.txt file that would be for all apps. I think that Ram1 was saying that he didn't fine one, but that his still worked. I could be mistaken though. I'll keep looking.

Thanks again! I'll keep poking around. Let me know if anything else comes to mind.

--Johan

#156: Author: vfrjim,

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:22 pm
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I installed version 1.28.16 on my V3m and seems to work fine except, GPS from the internal GPS does not function. Does anyone's work correctly?

#157: Author: vfrjim,

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:44 pm
—
Anyone?

#158: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:57 am
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Did you download the version for sprint phones? The latest is available at http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmaps_sprint.jad and http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmaps_sprint.jar. Also, you will need to unlock the phone as described earlier in this thread.

Cristian

#159: Author: vfrjim,

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:51 pm
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I am using the latest version for Sprint, but cannot find the __access.txt file using Bitpim, is there one on the V3m? I do appreciate your help.

Jim

#160: error downloading Author: clbowens,

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:54 pm
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Is anybody else having a problem downloading the Sprint version?

#161: working on samsung A-900M (Sprint) Author: vinod162,

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:50 am
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I managed to get the alpha3 release working on my samsung a900m phone.

As mentioned by others above, I had to edit my _policy.txt (via QPST) to remove the restrictions on the gps api.

It pulls the coordinates correctly, but the auto refresh doesnt work properly.
It works as soon as the app is started, but after ~10 seconds it stops refreshing altogether.
At that time, even if I do a GPS-Where am I, it returns the last location where it stopped refreshing. The only way to get the correct coords again is to exit and restart the application.

Is there an updated version for sprint phones?

Thanks a lot for this great app !!

-Vinod

#162: Author: cwncool,

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:57 am
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Yeah, I'm getting an error downloading the sprint GPS version. I have a Samsung a920. Do you guys know what might be wrong or what I might do to download/install it correctly? I get the error both from downloading straight from here, and from downloading the individual JAR and JAD and uploading them to a phone uploader service. I'd really like to get this working, so if anyone knew a solution, it'd be great! Thanx!

#163: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:24 pm
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cwncool wrote:

Yeah, I'm getting an error downloading the sprint GPS version. I have a Samsung a920. Do you guys know what might be wrong or what I might do to download/install it correctly? I get the error both from downloading straight from here, and from downloading the individual JAR and JAD and uploading them to a phone uploader service. I'd really like to get this working, so if anyone knew a solution, it'd be great!

Hmm... what kind of error do you get? Any specific error message?

Cristian

#164: Re: working on samsung A-900M (Sprint) Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:26 pm
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vinod162 wrote:

Is there an updated version for sprint phones?

Yes, there's an updated version available on the download page or directly at http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmaps_sprint.jad. Let us know if this new version works fine.

Cristian

#165: Sprint version download error Author: clbowens,

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:16 pm
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i get the error: The requested page can not be displayed.

#166: Re: working on samsung A-900M (Sprint) Author: itZme,

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:20 pm
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Cristian Streng wrote:

vinod162 wrote:

Is there an updated version for sprint phones?

Yes, there's an updated version available on the download page or directly at http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmaps_sprint.jad. Let us know if this new version works fine.

Cristian

I just grabbed this version from my phone at the WAP address and it works fine on my Sprint LG Fusic. I will test out the refreshing capabilities later today when I go somewhere. I did set the backlight to "always on" and it is flashing about every 3 seconds right now. I thought I saw something posted about this problem on the forums so I will go look for that now.

Thanks to Cristian for your continued development on this great application Smile

-- itZme

#167: Help needed on A900m Author: bboons,

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:29 pm
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I have a Samsung A900m phone and I've been desperately trying to run this app on the phone. I must have spent a couple of hours in reading all of the information on this forum but I'm missing quite a bit of stuff.
First off I tried downloading the latest Sprint version of the App. from wap.mgmaps.com, the application gets downloaded but the install fails with a "910" error. The generic version installs fine but the GPS feature does not work. I keep seeing a lot of posts about a hack to somehow install the app and enabling GPS access but looks like that post might be deleted or edited out because I just cannot find the post.
If you are successfully using this app on a A900m please let me know how you have done it.
Appreciate all help.

#168: Re: Sprint version download error Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:38 pm
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clbowens wrote:

i get the error: The requested page can not be displayed.

Try emptying your cache on your phone, or hit reload on your computer - the link may have been non-functional yesterday as I made some changes on the WAP server. It's definitely functional now and it points to the JAD file. The JAR file is at http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmaps_sprint.jar.

Cristian

#169: Re: working on samsung A-900M (Sprint) Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:40 pm
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itZme wrote:

Yeah, the backlight is still not functional on all phones. Did it work before? I mean have you tried setting the backlight to "always on" in the previous version of mgmaps that you had?

#170: Author: itZme,

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:42 pm
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No I had never tried the "always on" backlight function for this program until today. I have found a program that lights all the pixels on the screen at once to use the display as a flashlight and it works on my phone. I can point you to that program if it would help you find out why it goes on and off in your app.

#171: Re: working on samsung A-900M (Sprint) Author: vinod162,

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:15 am
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Cristian Streng wrote:

vinod162 wrote:

Is there an updated version for sprint phones?

Yes, there's an updated version available on the download page or directly at http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmaps_sprint.jad. Let us know if this new version works fine.

Cristian

The new version has the same problem. When I exit and restart the application, I get the correct coordinates.
Auto refresh works a couple of times as soon as the app is started, but then it stops refreshing. (The GPS indicator is always red)

Thanks

#172: Re: Help needed on A900m Author: vinod162,

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:23 am
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bboons wrote:

I have a Samsung A900m phone and I've been desperately trying to run this app on the phone. I must have spent a couple of hours in reading all of the information on this forum but I'm missing quite a bit of stuff.
First off I tried downloading the latest Sprint version of the App. from wap.mgmaps.com, the application gets downloaded but the install fails with a "910" error. The generic version installs fine but the GPS feature does not work. I keep seeing a lot of posts about a hack to somehow install the app and enabling GPS access but looks like that post might be deleted or edited out because I just cannot find the post.
If you are successfully using this app on a A900m please let me know how you have done it.
Appreciate all help.

I have an A900M and the app works on my phone (almost Smile

)

First off, you need QPST to access your phone's filesystem. You can google it. You will need your MSL to access your phone. You can get this from Sprint by calling them.
Next, you need to edit _policy.txt to allow unsigned apps to access the gps. The details are mentioned in this thread (a few pages back).

Then download the app from this location.
http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmaps_sprint.jad

and it should work.

PM me if you have any further questions.

-Vinod

#173: samsung a920 Author: Hyatt,

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:48 am
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Hey guys I'm having the same problem that Vinod162 is having earlier in this forum " As mentioned by others above, I had to edit my _policy.txt (via QPST) to remove the restrictions on the gps api.

It pulls the coordinates correctly, but the auto refresh doesnt work properly.
It works as soon as the app is started, but after ~10 seconds it stops refreshing altogether.
At that time, even if I do a GPS-Where am I, it returns the last location where it stopped refreshing. The only way to get the correct coords again is to exit and restart the application." Any Ideas how we can fix this?
Keep up the good work.

#174: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:19 am
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itZme wrote:

No I had never tried the "always on" backlight function for this program until today. I have found a program that lights all the pixels on the screen at once to use the display as a flashlight and it works on my phone. I can point you to that program if it would help you find out why it goes on and off in your app.

Yes, that would help - thanks.

#175: Re: samsung a920 Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:24 am
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Hyatt wrote:

It pulls the coordinates correctly, but the auto refresh doesnt work properly. It works as soon as the app is started, but after ~10 seconds it stops refreshing altogether.
At that time, even if I do a GPS-Where am I, it returns the last location where it stopped refreshing. The only way to get the correct coords again is to exit and restart the application." Any Ideas how we can fix this?
Keep up the good work.

No ideas yet, but I'll keep investigating. Some other users reported that it works just fine and continues to refresh on the LG Fusic - maybe the problems only occur on samsung a900/a920.

Cristian

#176: Re: Help needed on A900m Author: bboons,

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:15 pm
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Quote:

I have an A900M and the app works on my phone (almost Smile

Vinod, Thanks for the help. The changes that needed to be made to policy.txt is not available in this thread. Anyway I managed to find the relevant info from sprintusers.com forum. I got the app to install and work with the internal GPS finally!
I have not tested the refresh yet, I'll try that soon and post my feedback.

Great App guys!

#177: Re: Help needed on A900m Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:41 pm
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bboons wrote:

Quote:

I have an A900M and the app works on my phone (almost Smile

Great - can you let us know the exact thread in that forum? With that info I should be able to put together a document with installation instructions for Sprint GPS features.

Cristian

#178: Re: samsung a920 Author: brucebond,

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:15 pm
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Hyatt wrote:

Hey guys I'm having the same problem that Vinod162 is having earlier in this forum " As mentioned by others above, I had to edit my _policy.txt (via QPST) to remove the restrictions on the gps api.

It pulls the coordinates correctly, but the auto refresh doesnt work properly.
It works as soon as the app is started, but after ~10 seconds it stops refreshing altogether.
At that time, even if I do a GPS-Where am I, it returns the last location where it stopped refreshing. The only way to get the correct coords again is to exit and restart the application." Any Ideas how we can fix this?
Keep up the good work.

I have same issue using the V3m. Great Job, Christian

#179: Detail instructions for the Sprint RAZR V3m Author: rickgtx,

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:46 pm
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Updated Feb 14, 2007.

These instructions are for the Sprint RAZR V3m when downloading OTA fails. Other phones may differ.

Here are some detail instructions.

Atempting to download the Sprint GMaps OTA [over the air] with your Sprint V3m you may get "Error: This issue has been reported. Please try again later. 910 or 904" . I tried the Sprint internal browser, Opera Mini, and even http://rumkin.com/tools/sprint/index.php once I had the files on my PC.

You need to download the xxx.jad and xxx.jar files listed in step 2 to your PC and copy them to your phone.

To do this, use BitPim or QPST to copy the files to your phone. You need P2K to find you MSL (P2K Offset 0055. Six digits) for QPST. You can get P2K and BitPim from http://hacktherazr.com/downloads.html and QPST from http://cellular-support.com/downloads/details.php?file=339.

Details of the location of the files and PERM: values are at http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91504

1.) Install a version of GMaps that will install to set up the files and directories needed. The generic version works fine. See http://www.mgmaps.com/download.php. If you cannot download any version OTA, copy any xx.txt file that you have and rename it nn.txt for step 3. Make sure nn.txt does not exist.

2.) Download mgmaps_alpha-3jad and mgmaps_alpha-3.jar to your PC.
http://wap.mgmaps.com/signed/mgmaps_sprint.jad
http://wap.mgmaps.com/signed/mgmaps_sprint.jar
-- or -- Unsigned versions:
http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmaps_alpha-3.jad
http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmaps_alpha-3.jar

3.) With QPST or BitPim look in brew/mod/obione/jas/index/ for the GMaps nn.txt file. "NAME: Mobile GMaps" appears near the bottom of the file. In my case it was 18.txt. So I'll use 18 as the example, but use your nn in practice. So, I'm interested in these files:
- brew/mod/obione/jas/index/18.txt
- motorola/shared/jas/content/18.jad
- motorola/shared/jas/content/18.jar

4.) Change the line PERM: 1=0 to 1=1 in the 18.txt file.
PERM: 0=2,1=1,2=0,3=0,4=0,5=0
There is no _policy.txt on the Sprint V3m.

5.) Rename the xxx.jad and xxx.jar you downloaded in step 2 to 18.jad and 18.jar and copy to motorola/shared/jas/content replacing the GMAPS jad and jar you had installed in step 1.

Last edited by rickgtx on Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:55 pm; edited 6 times in total

#180: Re: Detail instructions for the Sprint RAZR V3m Author: JohanD,

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:55 pm
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rickgtx wrote:

JohanD wrote:

- Alpha3 install: I'm only seeing the .jad file from the web link. Should I be installing a specific .jar file? I've just been downloading the stable release and overwriting the .jad file with the alpha .jad via BitPim. This works fine, aside from the permissions issue that I mentioned.

Have I missed a step somewhere? I also have my MSL code, but I didn't see anything that I was supposed to do with it, aside from using QPST.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Now alpha3 is mgmaps_sprint.jad. The jad contains the link to the jar file. You can see it with Notepad, but I list it below. Here are some detail instructions.

Atempting to download the Sprint GMaps OTA [over the air] with your V3m phone from this location http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmaps_sprint.jad on the Sprint V3m you get "Error: This issue has been reported. Please try again later. 910" . I tried the Sprint internal browser, Opera Mini, and even http://rumkin.com/tools/sprint/index.php once I had the files on my PC.

You need to download mgmaps_sprint.jad and mgmaps_sprint.jar to your PC and copy them to your phone.

To do this, you need P2K to find you MSL (P2K Offset 0055. Six digits) and QPST or BitPim to copy the files to your phone. You can get P2K and BitPim from http://hacktherazr.com/downloads.html and QPST from http://cellular-support.com/downloads/details.php?file=339. I could not get BitPim to work so I use QPST.

jessesanforn discusses the location of the files and PERM: values at http://forum.mgmaps.com/viewtopic.php?p=623#623

1.) Install a version of GMaps that will install to set up the files and directories needed. The generic version works fine. See http://www.mgmaps.com/download.php.

2.) Download mgmaps_sprint.jad and mgmaps_sprint.jar to your PC.
http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmaps_sprint.jad
http://wap.mgmaps.com/mgmaps_sprint.jar

3.) With QPST or BitPim look in brew/mod/obione/jas/index/ for the GMaps nn.txt file. "NAME: Mobile GMaps" appears near the bottom of the file. In my case it was 18.txt. So I'll use 18 as the example, but use your nn in practice. So, I'm interested in these files:
- brew/mod/obione/jas/index/18.txt
- motorola/shared/jas/content/18.jad
- motorola/shared/jas/content/18.jar

4.) Change the line PERM: 1=0 to 1=1 in the 18.txt file.
PERM: 0=2,1=1,2=0,3=0,4=0,5=0
There is no my_policy.txt on the Sprint V3m.

5.) Rename mgmaps_sprint.jad and mgmaps_sprint.jar to 18.jad and 18.jar and copy to motorola/shared/jas/content replacing the GMAPS jad and jar you had installed in step 1.

OMG it worked!!!!!!!!!

I thought I had done all of this before... but for some reason it worked this time. I credit your excellent instructions. Thanks!!!!! I'm glad to help test any new releases now that I've gotten it to work.

#181: Author: gateway,

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:34 pm
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how do u get pk2 to recognize your device? i have a spring sph m610

#182: Pk2/MSL Author: JohanD,

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:43 pm
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gateway wrote:

how do u get pk2 to recognize your device? i have a spring sph m610

I only used BitPim. (never got Pk2 to work) Using BitPim, I didn't need Pk2 to get the MSL. BitPim just worked. QPST needs the MSL. I actually just called sprint customer service and asked for my MSL and they gave it to me.

#183: Author: rickgtx,

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:22 pm
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gateway wrote:

how do u get pk2 to recognize your device? i have a spring sph m610

P2K needs help to access your phone. Either MSU or PST needs to running with P2K. P2K is primary for SEEM editing. You need to find the setup for sph m610. For V3m instructions see http://hacktherazr.com/guide.seem.edit.html or http://www.motov3m.com/tiki-index.php?page=SEEM

#184: Sprint a920 Author: Hyatt,

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:12 am
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I would like to know exactly what I need to edit in the policy.txt file for my A920. I edited it but I'm not 100% sure I did it right since my mgmaps isn't getting a gps reading after about ~10 seconds.
Can anyone help please

#185: Re: Help needed on A900m Author: bboons,

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:23 pm
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Cristian Streng wrote:

Great - can you let us know the exact thread in that forum? With that info I should be able to put together a document with installation instructions for Sprint GPS features.

Cristian

I was referring to the thread at http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111299 . I made the suggested changes to the _policy.txt file except for the allow:bluetooth (I was not comfortable opening up bluetooth access to all programs).

#186: Re: Sprint a920 Author: sakha,

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:47 am
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Hyatt wrote:

I would like to know exactly what I need to edit in the policy.txt file for my A920. I edited it but I'm not 100% sure I did it right since my mgmaps isn't getting a gps reading after about ~10 seconds.
Can anyone help please

Well you got to edit the policy file and allow all kinds of permissions, maybe even bluetooth permissions, you will find the exact details in this thread somewhere on the first 5 pages, i have posted the detail file.

As far as getting the GPS fix updated, that is somewhat a little wacky currently.
Cristian, btw i got the latest version of the app working on my phone, here is something weird i noticed, if i shut bluetooth off, the GPS was not auto updating, dunno why.
GPS autoupdate feature works off and on, if i were to click some buttons then the auto update seems to stop working.
Anyways, hopefully this would get fixed sometime.
A nice to have feature would be for the search to pick up the current GPS co-ordinates and use them for searching, instead of having to type in the location.
Cheers,
-Sachin

#187: Samsung a920 Author: Hyatt,

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:07 pm
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Ok, I have edited the policy.txt as described in the earlier posts. I just wasn't sure I did it right but I guess I did. Changing my gps refresh rate doesn't seem to effect how fast it refreshes, also the refresh seems to work longer if you have it set to "marker" instead of "move map". I am also getting a lot of error and debug in my log

#188: Re: Sprint a920 Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:47 pm
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sakha wrote:

As far as getting the GPS fix updated, that is somewhat a little wacky currently.
Cristian, btw i got the latest version of the app working on my phone, here is something weird i noticed, if i shut bluetooth off, the GPS was not auto updating, dunno why.
GPS autoupdate feature works off and on, if i were to click some buttons then the auto update seems to stop working.
Anyways, hopefully this would get fixed sometime.

I know that happens on many Sprint phones, I hope I'll track it down and fix it soon.

sakha wrote:

A nice to have feature would be for the search to pick up the current GPS co-ordinates and use them for searching, instead of having to type in the location.

I'm adding this feature to v1.31.02, that will have a Sprint release too to replace v1.28.16.

Cristian

#189: Author: gateway,

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:00 am
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hmm great no valid usb drivers for the m610 yet.. just my luck and i spent like 4 hrs on Sunday trying various drivers etc. Seems like im not the only one with that issue as well from the sprint users forum.

i know this may of been discussed before but what other method can we do with out all these hacks, dont u need just the verisign cert set up? if so im sure we can all chip in.

#190: Author: sakha,

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:59 am
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gateway wrote:

hmm great no valid usb drivers for the m610 yet.. just my luck and i spent like 4 hrs on Sunday trying various drivers etc. Seems like im not the only one with that issue as well from the sprint users forum.

i know this may of been discussed before but what other method can we do with out all these hacks, dont u need just the verisign cert set up? if so im sure we can all chip in.

Here is a link to a cable with drivers.
http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-DATA-CABLE-For-SAMSUNG-SCH-U420-Nimbus-SPH-M610_W0QQitemZ180065835344QQcmdZViewItem

As far as hack goes that is the only known method, u have to enable developer root on the phone and change the policy file for this to work.

As far as verisign certificate goes, it has been discussed before, it is very expensive, $400 Evil or Very Mad

per year.

#191: Re: Sprint a920 Author: sakha,

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:01 am
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Cristian Streng wrote:

sakha wrote:

I know that happens on many Sprint phones, I hope I'll track it down and fix it soon.

sakha wrote:

A nice to have feature would be for the search to pick up the current GPS co-ordinates and use them for searching, instead of having to type in the location.

I'm adding this feature to v1.31.02, that will have a Sprint release too to replace v1.28.16.

Cristian

Sounds great, i will also do some more testing with the Garmin Mobile app to see how that one works, it seemed to be working fine last night, it even gives out audio directions, which is quite nifty. Sprint has a one month promotion for the app,so I am trying it out right now.

Lemme know if you want me to check anything in particular and i will be more than happy to do so.
Sachin

#192: Author: error, Location: USA

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:13 am
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I don't have a data cable Sad

Is there any other way?

#193: Author: gateway,

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:59 am
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sakha wrote:

per year.

in the skeem of things $400 a year isnt that bad, I mean Ill chip in for it, and i think maybe the app down the road could sell for $5-10 per shot, doing these hacks while great and all doesnt really work for any general person and if you really want to develope a great product some times cash has to go in hand, believe me i have alot products on shelves, and in the net that I have dumped my money into.. how about setting up a paypal account and having people donate, I think the things coming with this product such as web service , potentially logging of gps cords to a file and camera posting of geo coded images is well worth a small amount to use this product.

maybe im wrong.

#194: Re: Sprint a920 Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:12 am
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sakha wrote:

Yeah, there are a few commercial GPS applications that provide lots of features like directions, route planning, and so on - for example TomTom, Route66, iGo, Garmin Mobile. I don't know which of these work on your phone and which don't, but there a few main differences between these and Mobile GMaps:

MGMaps uses raster maps (bitmaps), while the other applications use vectorial maps. This means (among other things) that the other apps cannot display aerial imagery.
MGMaps loads maps online, the other applications store the maps on the device.
MGMaps is free, those other apps are not.

Cristian

#195: Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:26 am
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gateway wrote:

I agree, $400 or $500/year is not expensive for a commercial application, but it is too much for a free one. Selling the application is not really an option considering Google's terms of service for the maps, and considering there are other similar free applications - for example Google's own maps for mobile. I had a donate button on the main page, but I removed it as people really didn't seem to notice it Smile

(maybe because it wasn't paypal, paypal is not available where I live). I'll think about having some kind of (paid) web services for mgmaps, but it's still something I'm not very clear about.

Cristian

#196: New Sprint GPS release Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:56 pm
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Hi guys,

I have updated the Sprint GPS release of mgmaps to the latest code in v1.31.02. You can download an alpha version from http://wap.mgmaps.com/alpha3.html — besides all the new features added with v1.3x I have also included a fix attempt for the tracking problems in the Sprint version, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could test it.

Cristian Streng
http://www.mgmaps.com

#197: Re: New Sprint GPS release Author: sakha,

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:38 pm
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Cristian Streng wrote:

Hi guys,

I have updated the Sprint GPS release of mgmaps to the latest code in v1.31.02. You can download an alpha version from http://wap.mgmaps.com/alpha3.html — besides all the new features added with v1.3x I have also included a fix attempt for the tracking problems in the Sprint version, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could test it.

Cristian Streng
http://www.mgmaps.com

Hello Cristian,
I am testing the new version, it installed correctly, but ho do i perform the GPS lookup/fix, the older version had a menu option "Services->GPS Where Am I " which is missing in this new version
Pls lemme know, if i need to do it some other way.
Thx a lot, for updating the Sprint version.
-Sachin

#198: Re: New Sprint GPS release Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:47 pm
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Now it's inside the GPS menu (#6 in the main menu). You can also try to enable "Mobile Tracking" (that's the old GPS Sync stuff). The GPS Device should be set to "Internal" before any of these options are visible.

Cristian

#199: Sprint GPS not working Author: Hyatt,

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:53 pm
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Ok Cristian, I installed the new sprinr version on my A920 and I can't get the GPS to work, do we need to edit anything on this new version? Everything else works great! Just no GPS at all. Hyatt

#200: Re: Sprint GPS not working Author: Cristian Streng,

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:55 pm